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originally by JordanLFC:
"you think all that is going on now will be filmed for that documentary FSG are doing"
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I remember certain know-it-alls saying that no way would we sack kenny if they have just agreed to make a documentary about the club! You have to laugh at the naivety of some people.
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Of course and it will be the most interesting LFC film ever
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I remember certain know-it-alls saying that no way would we sack kenny if they have just agreed to make a documentary about the club! You have to laugh at the naivety of some people. I don't see what you have to crow about... like all armchair managers you have the benefit of hindsight. The fact is many top ex-players, fellow managers, pundits and fans thought Kenny would get a bit longer to see if he could build on his successful cup runs. This is not a failure in logic - they just thought he might have done enough at the club to earn some more time. FSG have decided to make the change and I think most fans, even the surprised ones, are willing to embrace a new approach. As for the film, it will certainly be more interesting with all the changes going on at the club - but I'm undecided as to whether it's a good thing. Yes, it appeals to the 'reality tv' generation - but it goes slightly against our 'closed doors' ethos. I'll probably still watch it though.... Like you, they were wrong as well. Using his friends and ex-teammates as an example doesn't really prove much. You mention that kenny might have done enough at the club to deserve more time? Do you mean in 2011/12? Not a chance! A new manager always brings about a bigger effort from the players. Once that honeymoon period was over it was all downhill. Surely you aren't really suggesting we accept his failings because he used to be a good player??!
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I remember certain know-it-alls saying that no way would we sack kenny if they have just agreed to make a documentary about the club! You have to laugh at the naivety of some people. I don't see what you have to crow about... like all armchair managers you have the benefit of hindsight. The fact is many top ex-players, fellow managers, pundits and fans thought Kenny would get a bit longer to see if he could build on his successful cup runs. This is not a failure in logic - they just thought he might have done enough at the club to earn some more time. FSG have decided to make the change and I think most fans, even the surprised ones, are willing to embrace a new approach. As for the film, it will certainly be more interesting with all the changes going on at the club - but I'm undecided as to whether it's a good thing. Yes, it appeals to the 'reality tv' generation - but it goes slightly against our 'closed doors' ethos. I'll probably still watch it though.... Like you, they were wrong as well. Using his friends and ex-teammates as an example doesn't really prove much. You mention that kenny might have done enough at the club to deserve more time? Do you mean in 2011/12? Not a chance! A new manager always brings about a bigger effort from the players. Once that honeymoon period was over it was all downhill. Surely you aren't really suggesting we accept his failings because he used to be a good player??! So because he got sacked he's a bad manager? I dunno if you been reading the words coming out of the mouths of LFC people (and by that I do not mean the tabloids) that FSG had decided Dalglish and Commolli were not the people they needed to realize their vision of LFC. That supersedes cup runs and bad league form. If he's the wrong guy, he's the wrong guy, doesn't matter if he does the job okay (which really is the only way to describe the last 18 months of Dalglish as manager of LFC - "okay"). Dalglish was not so dreadful a manager that he deserved a mid-season sack, but he was not so amazing that we couldn't do better with a different guy. FSG took the calm road - let him leave prior to the start of the window, but having managed the last game of the season. Now we start fresh. There really isn't any need for hysteria either side of the Dalglish line.
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I remember certain know-it-alls saying that no way would we sack kenny if they have just agreed to make a documentary about the club! You have to laugh at the naivety of some people. I don't see what you have to crow about... like all armchair managers you have the benefit of hindsight. The fact is many top ex-players, fellow managers, pundits and fans thought Kenny would get a bit longer to see if he could build on his successful cup runs. This is not a failure in logic - they just thought he might have done enough at the club to earn some more time. FSG have decided to make the change and I think most fans, even the surprised ones, are willing to embrace a new approach. As for the film, it will certainly be more interesting with all the changes going on at the club - but I'm undecided as to whether it's a good thing. Yes, it appeals to the 'reality tv' generation - but it goes slightly against our 'closed doors' ethos. I'll probably still watch it though.... Like you, they were wrong as well. Using his friends and ex-teammates as an example doesn't really prove much. You mention that kenny might have done enough at the club to deserve more time? Do you mean in 2011/12? Not a chance! A new manager always brings about a bigger effort from the players. Once that honeymoon period was over it was all downhill. Surely you aren't really suggesting we accept his failings because he used to be a good player??! So because he got sacked he's a bad manager? I dunno if you been reading the words coming out of the mouths of LFC people (and by that I do not mean the tabloids) that FSG had decided Dalglish and Commolli were not the people they needed to realize their vision of LFC. That supersedes cup runs and bad league form. If he's the wrong guy, he's the wrong guy, doesn't matter if he does the job okay (which really is the only way to describe the last 18 months of Dalglish as manager of LFC - "okay"). Dalglish was not so dreadful a manager that he deserved a mid-season sack, but he was not so amazing that we couldn't do better with a different guy. FSG took the calm road - let him leave prior to the start of the window, but having managed the last game of the season. Now we start fresh. There really isn't any need for hysteria either side of the Dalglish line. Do I think Kenny is a bad manager? Without a doubt. How can there be any argument?? As for the "he's the wrong guy" comments....he's the wrong guy because he isn't good enough, or didn't that cross your mind? Besides, any post-sacking statement isn't going to say what they really feel is it? It would be un-necessary so instead they put some PR spin on it to fool some of the naieve types. A bit like when someone breaks up with you but doesn't want to make you feel bad...."it's not you, it's me". Comolli and Kenny were the 'right guys' at the start of their plan - the only thing that could possibly have changed their minds is awful performance, awful signings and massive overspending. How else could they suddenly have become the 'wrong guys'? Most of the time you make a lot of sense, Thundyr - this isn't one of those occasions. One last thing...."okay", isn't the best word to describe our worst season in over 50 years!
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Do I think Kenny is a bad manager? Without a doubt. How can there be any argument?? As for the "he's the wrong guy" comments....he's the wrong guy because he isn't good enough, or didn't that cross your mind? Besides, any post-sacking statement isn't going to say what they really feel is it? It would be un-necessary so instead they put some PR spin on it to fool some of the naieve types. A bit like when someone breaks up with you but doesn't want to make you feel bad...."it's not you, it's me". I most certainly did cross my mind, but a lot else went wrong than Kenny Dalglish this season. I don't think "Dalglish would have got sacked even had he won the FA Cup" (Ayre) pulls any punches, btw. You were the one who linked the stats - have a look at Feb/March results and try convince anyone we were dire because of Dalglish rather than because we lost a won game against Arsenal (off the back of a bad 0-0 at home against Spurs) and therefore made 4th an impossibility. Comolli and Kenny were the 'right guys' at the start of their plan - the only thing that could possibly have changed their minds is awful performance, awful signings and massive overspending. How else could they suddenly have become the 'wrong guys'? They were the right guys. They had the wrong plan, specifically how to apply moneyball to football in England by buying expensive British players. That's how they became the wrong guys. One last thing...."okay", isn't the best word to describe our worst season in over 50 years! Having the worst 10 game streak since 53/54 does not equate to "worst season for over 50 years". We had two good cup runs, including silverware. We did not get relegated - that would be the worst season for over 50 years. You often make good points that get destroyed by your tendency to over-exaggerate. To defend my point: 6 points worse than the previous season, but a cup and another cup final (last season we were out of both the domestic cups in our first round) in a season where officials cost us 11 points, the FA cost us Suarez for 8 matches, and Gerrard and Lucas didn't start half a season between them - yeah, I'd call that an "okay" effort by a manager who changed half the match 18.
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Anyway chaps this film should be a good watch eh?
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I remember certain know-it-alls saying that no way would we sack kenny if they have just agreed to make a documentary about the club! You have to laugh at the naivety of some people. I said that I thought they would not sack him on a live documentary and I am not a know it all quiet the opposite. There is the odd smug know it all around and they may be closer to home. I gave my opinion as that is what people do on a forum I was wrong about him not getting sacked and I'm not all that worried about tbh.
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Anyway chaps this film should be a good watch eh? Nice try Stan, although I fear it's too late. 
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
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