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I'd like to get these points off my chest...
1) FSG was NOT pressured into hiring KK by fans. He took over as temp from Hodgson. FSG only turned him to perm at season end, based on his performance.
2) KK DID NOT spend 110M net on transfers. When all was said and done, his net spend was in the 30M range (based on my own rough calculation).
I'm not defending FSG nor KK, it just irritates me when I read people repeating misleading info to try to help their arguments.
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I'd like to get these points off my chest...
1) FSG was NOT pressured into hiring KK by fans. He took over as temp from Hodgson. FSG only turned him to perm at season end, based on his performance.
2) KK DID NOT spend 110M net on transfers. When all was said and done, his net spend was in the 30M range (based on my own rough calculation).
I'm not defending FSG nor KK, it just irritates me when I read people repeating misleading info to try to help their arguments. Please, please no, not the dreaded net spent argument again, there is no such thing as net when judging managers spending, it's alway's gross not net, it was only a word made up to defend incompetent managers spending of Benitez and Dalglish none of the previous managers were judged on it.
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Pressured is the wrong word but they were heavily influenced partly because at that time they wanted to engratiate themselves with the fans. They made the wronf call and I think regrettded it this season. Which is why Kenny went the first chance they had. As for the net spend who cares the main point was the quality of players (at high prices) was very poor.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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You are forgetting that bosman ruling changed football.
Players are less loyal to club. The club has to get money out of a player if he's leaving. The case of torres is good example. The guy was going anyway they got 50 million for him, what if he went on a free? Where does the 50 mill come from? (Or the 24 milllion spent on him when he was at athletico?) The fans, ticket increases? If you want to go to anfield for a ticket less than 600 quid a match you have interest in watching net spend. Stop blaming the club, blame the greedy players and greedy agents
Players out TORRES 50 m
Jovanovich 70k a week wages
Cole Loan
Poulson
Konchesky
Aqualini Loan
Babel Sold
Players in CARROL 35m
Downing 20M
Henderson 16M
ADAM 6M
SUAREZ 24M (now would get maybe 50M)
Last edited by Armitage; 24/05/12 01:44 AM.
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Pressured is the wrong word but they were heavily influenced partly because at that time they wanted to engratiate themselves with the fans. They made the wronf call and I think regrettded it this season. Which is why Kenny went the first chance they had. As for the net spend who cares the main point was the quality of players (at high prices) was very poor. Stanley the important part in how managers get judged is if they are worth the price the manager has paid, nobody is interested in what we get back. When we sold Ian Rush to Juventus back in the 80's for 3.2 million pound were us fans interested in our club record transfer fee received or wether Dalglish's judgement on spending it on Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge as well as Ray Houghton was justified, so as you see we are only interested in what we pay out and if it is worth it, thats what a manager is judged on not what he gets back.
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Pressured is the wrong word but they were heavily influenced partly because at that time they wanted to engratiate themselves with the fans. They made the wronf call and I think regrettded it this season. Which is why Kenny went the first chance they had. As for the net spend who cares the main point was the quality of players (at high prices) was very poor. Stanley the important part in how managers get judged is if they are worth the price the manager has paid, nobody is interested in what we get back. When we sold Ian Rush to Juventus back in the 80's for 3.2 million pound were us fans interested in our club record transfer fee received or wether Dalglish's judgement on spending it on Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge as well as Ray Houghton was justified, so as you see we are only interested in what we pay out and if it is worth it, thats what a manager is judged on not what he gets back. If only he could've bought players with that type of quality this time round
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Pressured is the wrong word but they were heavily influenced partly because at that time they wanted to engratiate themselves with the fans. They made the wronf call and I think regrettded it this season. Which is why Kenny went the first chance they had. As for the net spend who cares the main point was the quality of players (at high prices) was very poor. Stanley the important part in how managers get judged is if they are worth the price the manager has paid, nobody is interested in what we get back. When we sold Ian Rush to Juventus back in the 80's for 3.2 million pound were us fans interested in our club record transfer fee received or wether Dalglish's judgement on spending it on Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge as well as Ray Houghton was justified, so as you see we are only interested in what we pay out and if it is worth it, thats what a manager is judged on not what he gets back. If only he could've bought players with that type of quality this time round well he certainly had the money to do just that, just poor judgement from a poor manager who was hopelessly out of touch with the modern game.
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I wouldn't say a poor manager, just a poor spender
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You may say FSG hired KK as temp manager partly to try to endear fans. At the time when they finally turned him full time, based on what they saw, can you blame them? Only now people with hint sight says that was a wrong call.
So net spending should be ignored? Do you buy stocks based on gross revenue or do you also consider net profit?
Again my point is not to defend KK. He should have spent the money better. Period. That's the main reason why he's fired. However, we didn't just ship out close to 80M worth of junk.
KK did not get unprecedented financial backing from FSG. And I'm guessing that is probably what the new manager will get -- about 30M net.
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You may say FSG hired KK as temp manager partly to try to endear fans. At the time when they finally turned him full time, based on what they saw, can you blame them? Only now people with hint sight says that was a wrong call.
So net spending should be ignored? Do you buy stocks based on gross revenue or do you also consider net profit?
Again my point is not to defend KK. He should have spent the money better. Period. That's the main reason why he's fired. However, we didn't just ship out close to 80M worth of junk.
KK did not get unprecedented financial backing from FSG. And I'm guessing that is probably what the new manager will get -- about 30M net. net spend utter nonsense the club paid out over 100 million on players , you talk about 30 million well carroll alone was 35 million is that some sort of blag figure ?
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