KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Couple points off my chest

There's no guarantee. Torres could continue to sulk, may not partner well with Suarez. He didn't do well after his requested move to Chelsea. They won 2 cups with him largely as a spectator, could've as easily won no trophy and miss next year's CL. May be he'll finally blossom after Drogba leave.

It should be blatantly obvious we paid £35 million for Carroll because we got £50 million for Fernando. There is no way Commo or Kenny would have got that sort of funding if they wanted Carroll as a third striker. That is absolutely about cash in and out of the club as it is with your monthly in and outgoings of your day to day life.

It's also a load of BS to suggest it masks a poor manager. Carhee and myself would both have Raffa back tomorrow but sit at total opposite ends of net spend. To me it is totally about net spend, Carhee the complete opposite.


When it comes down to it, the owners have paid £300 million for a club valued at £380 and have put their hand in their own pocket for about £30 million on top of that. That is not a criticism but a FACT. The managers' have generated the income for players other than that like it or not.

enough of the net spend talk... kenny spent the money and he spent it on duds.. whether the owners gave it to him out of their own pockets or he sold players to get it does not matter! the fact is he spent it and he blew it! you cant say well he only lost 30m cause the rest of the money was from sold players..he still SPENT 100m (or whatever the figure was)!! and on top of that he replaced the sold players with shiite players!! everyone goes on about rafas spending but i think he is different in the fact that he HAD to sell players to buy new ones! kenny didnt, he was given the go ahead to buy players and he stuffed it! torres and meirelles didnt need to go!!

Is still astonishes me how many people can't open their minds regarding net spend.

Let's do it in point form, so you don't fall behind.
1. If I have a squad worth 1m pounds, how much is my squad worth?
Well done, 1m pounds.
2. If I sell every player I own at their value, how much is my squad worth? That's right, well done again, it's worth f*ck all. But I have 1m pounds in money.
3. If I now buy 1m pounds worth of players what is my squad worth? Yes, that's right, 1m pounds, AND I have no money left.
4. Have I just spent 1m pounds on my squad without increasing its value? YES.
5. Should my squad now be 1m pounds better than it was before I started? NO, IT F*CKING SHOULDN'T! The squad is the same value as it was, so it's the same money, just in different denominations. Is that really too difficult to understand?

Spending 100m and net spend of 30m are completely different concepts - one blindly looks at purchases only without considering the effects on the squad made by people leaving, while the other considers both. Why see with only one eye when you have twice as many?

Put another way, people seem to think letting go of Torres was smart because he was worthless. Except he was far from worthless, considering he was our most prolific striker EVER (in terms of goals per appearance over the players' first few seasons at the club), and as of the time he left Liverpool had more goals AND more assists than any other player on our books. Maybe you have such a short memory that you forgot he was on the shortlist for being inducted into the hall of fame for the period 2001-2010, despite spending only 3 of those years at the club. You don't replace what such a player brings to the club overnight, so ignoring the fact that he left is blatant stupidity. So did Dalglish improve the squad by 100m or by 50m? What about the other players like Meireles, Babel, N'Gog etc?

I accidentally omitted "for that season" from the end of that sentence.