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think that sums it up perfectly ianrush although would not go for martinez to big a gamble this is are last shot before we go completely in my opinion
To be honest I think the days of challenging for a title are well gone myself, cant really see us getting in the top four for the foreseeable future no matter what manager comes in either, my only hope is that we can at least be competative for a top four place up until maybe April even if we dont actualy get it, I would also like to win more at home with an F.A.Cup or Carling Cup every couple of seasons, that will do me if am honest, would also like to spend within our means and not spend money we have'nt got, cut our cloth accordingly.


Whilst its a mess I can see us getting there if the right man comes in but this isn't gonna be a one or two season job. Whoever comes in needs backing, not just in the market but by the fans long term, no calling for their head if we don't make top 4 in a year but have progressed/gone through positive changes.
Hell if Newcastle can get that close to it a year after getting back into the premiership, anyone can hehe.
You need the right man and right players coming in at good prices. Newcastle scouts have done fab job at getting their players in the last couple of years at good prices for today's market.
We have some great defenders then the likes of Gerrard, Reina and Suarez which can be added to and others can be shipped off etc for funds. Its not a total overhaul for me but it will take time.

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I was suggesting that you and many others are getting a big carried away. It seems that if we don't appoint a manager within hours of the previous one leaving that the owners 'don't have a clue' or in your case are "making us a laughing stock".

What's wrong with making sure we get the right person for the job and if that means we have to check on availability or speak to a few that aren't the right choice then so be it.

And if anyone is laughing then it's borne out of jealousy and fear after all we are Liverpool FC.

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If the process is followed properly the right man will be selected. Thats not to say that what may or may not have been said by the likes of AVB/Martinez was wrong but that the owners have a vision and that they are trying to find the man who most closely matches that vision.

You can have the best cv on paper but if you do not match the requirements of the prospective employer then forget it.

Unless Benitez comes back in this is going to be the biggest shake up the club has ever had because any person totally new to the club and put in charge has to go about reversing the issues that led to our lowest points haul and goals scored for years.

As for it being a gamble on AVB/Martinez to be honest it is going to be a gamble on whoever is next. It is worrying that certain names seem to be giving us a wide berth but that shows a definite lack of confidence and faith in their own abilities in my book. For the selection process to be successful we should be thanking them for making the process easier by ruling themselves out.

Proven ability in the Prem takes time to achieve and even with the amount of money thrown at success it has taken Mancini 3 years. Time is what we should be looking to give any new manager because by the time he is ready to deliver the likes of Gerrard/Carragher will be long gone and that has to be considered when giving the next man realistic targets to achieve.

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You will have to stop me if I am being naive, or maybe unrealistic. Maybe my love for LFC makes my judgement cloudy, but there is no reason why we can't challenge with a few additions.

We have beat City over two legs, nailed Chelsea twice, knocked united out of the FA cup. We CAN do it. We have failed this season because we were outsmarted by the small teams, and failed to break them down. I think the players lost their heart a little bit towards the end- all down the manager in hindsight

Some managers over-achieve with their squad, if we get one of those we are a dangerous team.

Gerard- best midfielder in the world on his day, Everton game showed he still has it
Carroll- showed glimpses of his strengths, a Carroll on form is as good as any premiership striker, for example first season in prem he was the 6th top scorer in the 10/11 season even though he only played 6 months
Suarez- unplayable
Downing- Carling cup final he was a beast.
Lucas- His call up for Brazilian team shows he IS world class, and has been oustanding for us.
Adam- for blackpool his passes/corners/PENALTY'S where unbelievable he has suffered a lack of confidence in my opinion.
Needs a big kick up the ass, and sold in Jan if he doesn't sort it
Johnson/skrtel/Agger/Enrique- One of the fewest goals conceded in the league- All international players(except Enrique) and work together well.

Rest are squad players/indispensable/ones for the future.

So I think a RW, striker, DM and a good manager we can defiantly aim for top 4

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Recognize, its nice that we are able to compete and beat those teams you mentioned, but to win the league or qualify for Europe you have to beat the likes of Stoke et al in their own stadiums where the top stars don't like to perform. We have been the biggest culprits of letting those teams walk all over us and thus we languish in 8th.

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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
Recognize, its nice that we are able to compete and beat those teams you mentioned, but to win the league or qualify for Europe you have to beat the likes of Stoke et al in their own stadiums where the top stars don't like to perform. We have been the biggest culprits of letting those teams walk all over us and thus we languish in 8th.


My point exactly, see above:

"We have failed this season because we were outsmarted by the small teams, and failed to break them down"

I think this is down to the manager, being able to get the most out of the players in games such as stoke away..

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Recognize, its nice that we are able to compete and beat those teams you mentioned, but to win the league or qualify for Europe you have to beat the likes of Stoke et al in their own stadiums where the top stars don't like to perform. We have been the biggest culprits of letting those teams walk all over us and thus we languish in 8th.


My point exactly, see above:

"We have failed this season because we were outsmarted by the small teams, and failed to break them down"

I think this is down to the manager, being able to get the most out of the players in games such as stoke away..


oops, somehow I missed that. Anyway you are right, a better manager with advanced tactical ability may have broken those teams down, of course better players would of helped too.


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Recognize, its nice that we are able to compete and beat those teams you mentioned, but to win the league or qualify for Europe you have to beat the likes of Stoke et al in their own stadiums where the top stars don't like to perform. We have been the biggest culprits of letting those teams walk all over us and thus we languish in 8th.


My point exactly, see above:

"We have failed this season because we were outsmarted by the small teams, and failed to break them down"

I think this is down to the manager, being able to get the most out of the players in games such as stoke away..


oops, somehow I missed that. Anyway you are right, a better manager with advanced tactical ability may have broken those teams down, of course better players would of helped too.


Defiantly! I think we only need a couple more, RW is a must though!

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We need some one with vision like Gerrards or Aqua's and someone with flair, I think that's what we lacked last season, too much passing the ball around the outside of the defense, not penetrating enough. Possibly another DM so Gerrard can play in the hole, and a back up for Gerrard because he is becoming very injury prone

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we need more creation in midfield that's for certain

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