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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
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tbh i have been pondering this whole spurs out because chelsea won it thing since a friends of mine explained it to me last night.

got to be honest, theres something not quite right about it? especially as spurs got 4th. i dont know how i feel about it exactly but does it seem slightly injust to anyone else?

maybe not.


I agree, i find it bizare to be honest, its like going through a whole season just to get 4th then get it taken away from you. I don't know how they resolved our situation on 2005 but I clearly remember Everton participating even though they were 4th. Surely they have to allow Spurs in somehow through a qualification stage?


You're correct. The year we won it, we finished 5th and Everton finished 4th. There was a debate as to whether we should be allowed in next season to defend our title, and they let us in from the start of the qualifiying rounds. Everton went into the 3rd qualifying round (they only had to play 1 2-legged round to qualify for the group stages) and they lost it so ended up in the Europa League.

Had they qualified, there would have been 5 english teams in the CL that season. After that, UEFA made a new rule that would have the 4th CL spot in the league presented to a team from that country who won it and finished outside the top 4 - in other words, Chelsea last night getting Spurs' spot. It's harsh, but those are the rules, and I can see how it's reasonable. 5 teams from 1 country isn't very fair on smaller countries who only have 1 or 2 spots.


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We benifitted from the same scenario and best of all at Everton's expense.
It only seems right that the Champions are given a chance to defend their title.


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You're right there bar. I think spurs will feel hard done by because they were may be the first victims of this rule, I think other teams will accept it as it occurs more.


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Originally Posted By: heggypompom
Thanks to Chelsea winning the champions league and knocking tottenham out, tottenham will now be alongside us in the europa league.

This means that we will have play four games less, have a later start and go straight in to the group stage.

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1 England 85.785 ---------------------------------------- TH=Chelsea 135.882 (ch/GS) CL1=Manchester City 63.882 (ch/GS) CL2=Manchester United 141.882 (ch/GS) CL3=Arsenal 113.882 (ch/GS) EL1=Tottenham Hotspur 66.882 (eu/GS) EL2=Newcastle United 16.882 (eu/Q4) LC=Liverpool 90.882 (eu/Q3)

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Quite happy as it helps us out no end.

1) Chelsea were going to spend big on players if they had stayed in the CL or not next year

2) Spurs will have big name players wanting CL football next year

3) Spurs are not as weathy as Chelsea and will be unable to sign top players ie having to sign Adebayor on loan from Man City

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Originally Posted By: SA_Red
We benifitted from the same scenario and best of all at Everton's expense.
It only seems right that the Champions are given a chance to defend their title.


no we set this scenario up and not at evertons expense. they would always have had to play a play-off anyway

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If it spares us from qualifiers than thank you Chelsea. That could be a huge boost to us.

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Originally Posted By: redordead13
If it spares us from qualifiers than thank you Chelsea. That could be a huge boost to us.
1 England 85.785 ---------------------------------------- TH=Chelsea 135.882 (ch/GS) CL1=Manchester City 63.882 (ch/GS) CL2=Manchester United 141.882 (ch/GS) CL3=Arsenal 113.882 (ch/GS) EL1=Tottenham Hotspur 66.882 (eu/GS) EL2=Newcastle United 16.882 (eu/Q4) LC=Liverpool 90.882 (eu/Q3)

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People are likening it to Everton and Liverpool when we won the CL in 05.

Thing is though, if I remember rightly, Everton weren't thrown out. UEFA acknowledged that over the season they got 4th and not us. If I remember, Everton had to qualify for CL and so did we for the following year.....

Spurs have been thrown out.

Where did Chelsea finish, 5th or 6th?

When it was Liverpool and Everton, Everton were 4th, we were 5th.....it made sense if we won it....

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Originally Posted By: SA_Red
It's because we were losing finalists in the FA Cup. With Chelski now in Champs league the runner up gets the winner's spot. Usually the FA Cup winner goes straight into the group stages of the Europa League


I thought our qualification spot for the europa was via the league cup so whatever happened last night shouldn't effect us...?

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