KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum May not agree with Martinez but why not give him a shot

Simply every great manager and in particular young great manager got his shot by having success at a small team and making the jump immediately to a big one. It's these manager who are now considered the best managers in world footy at the moment and we want to be lfc manager

klopp mainz in div 2 to dortmund
Allegri Cagliari 12th to milan won title 1st season
Wenger managing in Japan to Arsenal
Redknapp relegating southampton to Pompy to spurs
Guardiola in charge of Barca B team to A team
Antonio Conte in charge of siena 2nd div to Juventus won title in 1st season
Van Gaal in charge of Ajax reserves to A team
Mourinho Uniao de Leira to porto won title 1st season

Sure enough there have been enough managers who have bombed in the same situation ala Hodgson but lfc need a youthful manager of a high level who can be with the club till it's at the top challenging for titles over the next 4-5 years with the potential to be here for many more years.

I must admit there are those who meet this set up like Guardiola or Deschamps but lfc need's a manager who'll grows with the success and is not a quick fix for success in the short term, I know that sounds weird but if we go for a Guardiola we're looking at him leaving in 3-4 years time ala Mourinho at Chelsea whether successful or not. If you have a manager who grows with the clubs success their more likely to stay and rebuild the team over a longer period of time giving stability which is whats needed.

Look at the names above and note the ones who joined a big club from a medium club and those from a small one and you'll see who are the more successful managers in the long term.

I have no inside info but I am sure its Martinez and I think he has been identified some months ago. Just my opinion

Martinez hasn't done anything wrong at Wigan, and certainly keeping up such a small club twice is quite an achievement. But does he have enough about him to manage a top club? I think that's what everyone is wondering, and if he takes the poisoned chalice he will have to perform his guts out over the first six months in order to get people to accept him. If we're languishing in mid-table because some of the players can't be arsed to play, then there will be empty seats at Anfield in December unless we're somehow playing attractive football while losing.

I'm not really against him, but appointing him at this time seems incredibly risky. A bold move, certainly, and they say fortune favours such, but bravery and stupidity are separated by such a fine line... Yes, he's not got the job yet, but that they're even considering him is interesting.

Martinez seems to go against FSG's policy in baseball. Both Terry Francona and Bobby Valentine were old heads that have been around the game a long time. Valentine, the most recent manager, had been in charge of the NY Mets for a while as well, so he was used to a relatively high-pressure situation. What worries me is that the Red Sox are now in last place in their division, and Valentine seems out of his depth. Let's hope our managerial appointment fares better...

At last some positivity and i agree with you totally..

There have been plenty of managers that have come out of no where and been sucessful so why cant Martinez if he is chosen to be the new LFC manger.

Problem is a lot of people are reacting to us getting hodgson but hodgson was always average. No-one knows how good Martinez could get and yes it is a gamble but could be the guy to help us progress. We all thought Kenny was the man to do that as he was a proven winner but look how that turned out = 14 wins and 14 losses.

Kenny is a King but who knows Martinez could be the Prince.

From the perspetive of the club yes I believe it was the right move. Can I ask what your motivation is for that comment ? If its to start a personal slanging match I am not interested.

Sometimes buying proven doesn't work i:e AVB, unbeaten with Porto, won the league in Portugal the Europa and look how well that turned out. and look at some of the other managers Chelsea went for and failed i.e Scolari and didn't win anything, yet under di matteo (sacked from West Brom) he turned them around and won the FA Cup and could win the Champions League.

Don't be too quick to judge....

i agree, its a massive risk. i can't help but feel like these are worrying times at lfc. its so weird how the tables have turned. all you kenny bashers / dormers & gloomers must have felt like i do now when kenny was in charge.

by FSG's standards will they sack the new manager if he doesn't make fourth next year? id rather have a cup than not make fourth personally, and kenny nearly got us 2.

can't help but feel as though this was totally the wrong time to appoint a new manager and i hope this does not come back to haunt the owners. its bang out of order for them to announce kenny has been sacked rather than that of mutual consent or resignation. the fact they called him all the way over to boston just to sack him is terrible... then have the cheek to send him home with jet lag and his P45.

the owners have talked about bringing back 'the liverpool way' time and time again, but i can't help but feel that is being tarnished by their own agenda. sacking a manager after one year with 2 finals and a trophy is far from the liverpool way.

face it, we are being run by business people and not football people. their decisions could come back to haunt them imo

I think "crusade" might be a bit harsh, but be that as it may, yes I am still happy. Martinez would not be my first choice but whoever comes in, change was needed. Dalglish was not performing, it really is that simple. Perhaps Martinez won't perform either but a change was needed, and if the next manager doesn't perform, change will be needed again, until that winning combination is found.

I wouldn't want Martinez because he is too much of a risk. His greatest accomplishment so far is keeping Wigan in the PL. That's not to say he won't be a good manager, but I would like to see him try at a club like Aston Villa and see how it goes instead of making the jump to us.