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Martinez has not applied for the job.
We have asked to speak to him.

Personally I was hoping for Guardiola or Rafa.

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Everybody just remain calm and positive.

Think Rafa.

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Originally Posted By: aldo
Whats wrong with Martinez though? He can't be that bad, not all managers start of managing top teams. Didn't Fergie manage lowly Motherwell or something, Klopp managed Mainz or even Shankly.


It depends what one wants, aldo. If we want to win the title by 2014 (as FSG have stated they do) we can't afford to spend another 2 seasons "rebuilding" or mucking about in mid-table. The problem with Martinez is simple - what exactly does he know about a) signing, and b) managing the best players in the world? Absolutely nothing. But if we're happy to putter around in mid-table while we rebuild, then why did they sack Dalglish?

I also don't think the Shankly parallel may be drawn. Liverpool was in the second division when he signed, and he took us to the division one title and to the european cup in a fairly short time. Martinez has done what on that scale? He kept Wigan up with bare minimum points twice in succession while fighting relegation all season. Did we learn nothing from Hodgson? The ability to keep a club out of the relegation zone is not the same as the ability to challenge for top honours.

If he's signed then of course we will support him in the hope that he has something we've not yet seen, but I suspect the knives will be out all too early if we're hovering in 6th come November... It's a risk that may pay off handsomely or backfire in just as extreme a manner.

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played utd arsenal and us off the park.put 4 past newcastle,wigan were the best side in the premiership on form. i'll have a bit of that thank u very much

and his team cost nothing.

His team played 6 games at the end of the season and where absolute garbage to watch for the rest. Never won anything and never competed in champions league but he's the man to turn things around?!


yes he is. it doesn't matter what he's won ,it matters if he can get a team playing football. he can. people have to rise from somewhere, much rather get a lower league manager build us than some idiot like cappello,avb or rafa who never had to actually build anything.

martinez is the answer..i watched that arsenal wigan game and i was stunned at how good wigan were..nobody out plays arsenal at home, not least lowly wigan..but they acutally took the pee out of them. arsenal were running around like headless chickends.. martinez is the answer, our prays have been answered

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Remind you of Roy?

It reminds me of worse. At least Roy managed a top team.

Wigan Athletic would be better of playing behind closed doors, considering nobody turns up to the stadium when they play. "Rugby town"

Pffffffffffffff

I've never seen so many empty seats, except for when I'm belly dancing on stage laugh


You are right Wigan is a rugby town I used to watch wigan when they first became a league club crowds of about 5,000. Not many more now. But two ways of looking at it if he can manage to put out teams like he does on so few resources he can't be all bad. Whether he is big enough for the Liverpool job we will see.


Thats just it stanley - needs a big man to take on the job - thats not to say the fact that someone with no trophies cant do the job but no more managers on for the ride

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Martinez would be a gamble but then so is another manager and certainly Rafa would be a gamble. I am never one who believes in going back it rarely works out particularly in football management. History is not just about going back its about making history and what I think we need is not reverting back but to get the next Shankly, Paisley, Ferguson. FSG are brave to take this chance after sacking the king but you never achieve greatness without being brave.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Martinez would be a gamble but then so is another manager and certainly Rafa would be a gamble. I am never one who believes in going back it rarely works out particularly in football management. History is not just about going back its about making history and what I think we need is not reverting back but to get the next Shankly, Paisley, Ferguson. FSG are brave to take this chance after sacking the king but you never achieve greatness without being brave.


They're not being brave. They're being stupid.

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Originally Posted By: aldo
Whats wrong with Martinez though? He can't be that bad, not all managers start of managing top teams. Didn't Fergie manage lowly Motherwell or something, Klopp managed Mainz or even Shankly.


It depends what one wants, aldo. If we want to win the title by 2014 (as FSG have stated they do) we can't afford to spend another 2 seasons "rebuilding" or mucking about in mid-table. The problem with Martinez is simple - what exactly does he know about a) signing, and b) managing the best players in the world? Absolutely nothing. But if we're happy to putter around in mid-table while we rebuild, then why did they sack Dalglish?

I also don't think the Shankly parallel may be drawn. Liverpool was in the second division when he signed, and he took us to the division one title and to the european cup in a fairly short time. Martinez has done what on that scale? He kept Wigan up with bare minimum points twice in succession while fighting relegation all season. Did we learn nothing from Hodgson? The ability to keep a club out of the relegation zone is not the same as the ability to challenge for top honours.

If he's signed then of course we will support him in the hope that he has something we've not yet seen, but I suspect the knives will be out all too early if we're hovering in 6th come November... It's a risk that may pay off handsomely or backfire in just as extreme a manner.


Ok forget the Shankly reference, what I was actually trying to say is managers have gone on to greater things, even by starting of with lowly teams like Wigan, so we shouldn't be quick to compare him to the likes of Roy Hodgson, also unlike Roy Martinez actually fits our ethos of attacking football, which is a great asset.

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Originally Posted By: YNWA1892
We cannot afford to have someone in to be given a couple of years to get us back up there, we need someone to come in and sort it next season..


This is why club spent lot of money on available English players who are EPL experienced. Remember what happened. As long as the new manager improves the team and fights for Top4 finish until April/May, I will be happy...

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Originally Posted By: aldo
Whats wrong with Martinez though? He can't be that bad, not all managers start of managing top teams. Didn't Fergie manage lowly Motherwell or something, Klopp managed Mainz or even Shankly.


Fergie went to United after winning trophies at Aberdeen and lots of them, if Martinez had won trophies then fair enough I'd say give him a chance but with a win ratio of 26%!!!!!!! I'd say he isn't good enough yet, could be in a few years but not yet.

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