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That was a lot of question marks.

i mean we have tried him out at the club, and he's obviously not cutting the mustard, but let me rephrase for the record.... None of the OTHER big clubs are snapping him up. i.e. united havent rolled in to buy him thinking "liverpool you fools!"

how does anyone know he isn't cutting the mustard? and if he really isn't good enough, then the question should be why not? after all he was more than good enough as a kid - why has he not made any progress?

we know nothing about our kids because we only see them in youth games ...... the reserves are now a pointless waste of time where they get nothing of value ...... it used to be a mix of kids and first teamers, kids used to get the chance to gain experience playing with and against first team players ....... now it is just a place for kids who are too old for the academy and the first team squad members who aren't getting in the team just gradually lose match sharpness by not getting any kind of proper match action

stop looking at the players and saying they are not good enough and ask why they aren't making any progress ...... we have brought in so many top class kids (hobbs, hammill, anderson, nemeth, pacheco, gulacsi, martin etc) that were touted as potential stars of the future - not one single player has made it through our youth system and into the team yet ....... all of those players have shown little to no improvement through playing reserve team footie and getting the odd rare bench job ...... there is a serious problem with the club - it is not doing it's part in bringing through the youngsters - they get to sit in the stands and watch sub-standard players getting games while they are yet to be given a try ...... then we have people like you saying 'well they mustn't be good enough then' when you have no clue whether they are or not! ...... all of these kids we had to beat off other big clubs to sign

or perhaps you are going to go with the not old enough argument? fabregas was 17 when he began to play regularly for arsenal, as was clichy ..... players need games to make progress - they get that at clubs like arsenal and at barca too - we need to do more of the same before we lose every promising kid when they refuse to sign a new contract to sit on the bench and watch dross like voronin and babel ahead of them in the pecking order

there is a point that it might be twisted by the newspaper or when translated but better to evaluate at the end of the season.he has shown signs I say....

If there is no option but to sell him for any reason we can force a buy back clause .wat say PPL ?

people like me eh? hmmmm, wonder what that means.

i wasnt going to make the "too young arguement" but thank you for countering the arguement regardless and saving me any unneccesary effort.

youre telling me i havent a clue whether they are good enough or not, which in turn means you are also clueless on the matter, correct?
its disappointing of course that more young players have not come through, but it makes no sense to suggest that we are not developing youngsters who are ACTUALLY able to play in the premier league. if youre good enough, youre good enough, you make it through. Plenty of kids show promise, few make the cut. its easier for youths to make it into a lower level club then it is for youths to make it into a top four team so that will also be a factor.
Raff has only taken over the youth system as of this year so it is best to wait and see if there is indeed an improvement, which i hope their is.

being good enough does not necessarily mean you make it - i could type up the stories of loads of people that have failed to make it and why ....... most of the time it is luck in the prem because they are not often given the chances needed to make it

you need to go and get involved in some academy footie mate - go and have a look at what happens and then come back and tell me that the kids there aren't good enough to get in the team ahead of players like voronin and babel ..... and if anyone of them have a first touch like kuyt's because i doubt it very much!

hmmmm, i dont care enough about this conversation to change my career, but i will say that babel looked like maradonna as a youngster. im sure voronin did the same in his day (during the viking era).
i understand that, like most success stories in any highly coveted career, there is an element of luck invovled. no disagreement there.
but how many of these youngsters have the right ability but the wrong attitude, or vice versa. the wrong physic, recurring injuries etc. there are so many elements that make up a successful player that i dont find it difficult to understand why we havent got a clatter of players from the youth system.
maybe the standard of player in liverpool has changed. the likes of gerrard and carra came from heavy hitting street footie. has this changed? is that dogged determination waining as kids play less and less on the road and have more distractions? are good footballing youngsters choosing other careers? i can understand frustration and the need for youngsters to come through, and i'd like to see it improve no doubt, but its unlikely that we are leaving a gerrard or torres of the future out of the team. the manager is closest to the action and knows more than me or you, and its unrealistic to think we know the players better than he does.

but in the end you must give the kids a chance, that's the only way for them to take the next step....look at everton, they've given the chance to rodwell and gosling. i'm pretty sure they would be stuck in the reserves if they've would have weared a red shirt instead of a blue....

are they good enough to wear a red shirt?

i think they are. personally i think rodwell would easily do the job lucas does at the moment...there's a reason why chelsea and united wants to get him in january...

fair enough, but thats not to say we have someone of the same quality as rodwell. there is also no guarantee that rodwell will do well at chelsea or united. ive reservations about fergusons decision making as of late.