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No but did not do chelses or any harm did it? Don't be fooled. Chelsea picked it up for a few games because they were given there player power back at the club. Di Matteo is just a puppet, they need not a manager. Villas Boas was going to change all of that, so they'd be better in the long run. Do not be fooled by this short-term success.
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6 months if he stays minimum. Kenny needs to be given more time.
If the owners decide he goes, then we can't do anything about it. But I HOPE, they bring somebody worthy in, because if they don't, it will all topple down to square one again. That would mean sacking him mid season
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It worked for chelsea
sheffield wednsesday
newcastle
Sunderland
and it might work for QPR
changing the manager works
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Yes, but enough time to turn it around after a busy summer.
We need to sign quality who can do it now, if not, more of the same next season.
I feel Carroll will fire on all cylinders next season, meaning plenty of goals and we will have Lucas back, which will help Gerrard.
A good start is paramount next season and a win on the first day to set the tempo. If we start well, it will carry over and Kenny will have the chance to challenge and turn it around.
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I will preface, saying that I am not necessarily pro-Kennny. But there is the fact that he brought out of the relegation zone with an incredible run for the entire second half of last season, despite the fact that we lost our star player and we were playing with a rag-tag squad that had all but fallen apart with injuries and Hodgson signings (that were worse than Kenny's worst ones). With that rag-tag team he outfoxed and outplayed Wegner, Fergie, Manchini, and Ancelotti, and he got us playing good football again. He did it without promise of the permanent job, even though he had been snubbed for Roy, and even though it seemed as though the owners did not want him at all. He saved our asses last season, and for that alone he has my respect.
Even if we don't think he should be here anymore (which I agree that there is may someone better for the job), Kenny deserves our respect and he has been instrumental in several big things. Yeah, the record since January has been bloody awful, but before then we looked to be in the running for 4th. At times we played really good football this season, and the Dalglish part of last season we were on fire.
The biggest problem has been the signings, but some of them, particularly Carroll our biggest price tag, are showing signs of coming good. The players like Kenny. They all have publicly backed him, and Carroll especially has thanked him for his faith and support. What if Hendo and Downing (both of whom have had flashes) turn it around and become the signings we hoped they'd be?
No, the league form is not good enough, but we've had some very important wins this season that show signs that Kenny could do this. We are one of the only teams to beat City away, and we've beaten united, Arsenal, Chelsea 3 times, and Newcastle. We got some silverware in the cabinet, we've rejuvinted the youth system, and we've started playing positive football again. The squad looks like its learned how to work together, and I think with Lucas back, we will look a completely different team.
If Kenny were to resign this summer, I wouldn't be one to say no, but at the same time I wouldn't be one to say no if he stayed. I agree with u!!! Losin Lucas and Suarez for long periods didn help either and Gerard continuous injuries and carra's decline also hasn't helped this season
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Yes, but enough time to turn it around after a busy summer.
We need to sign quality who can do it now, if not, more of the same next season.
I feel Carroll will fire on all cylinders next season, meaning plenty of goals and we will have Lucas back, which will help Gerrard.
A good start is paramount next season and a win on the first day to set the tempo. If we start well, it will carry over and Kenny will have the chance to challenge and turn it around. As you youself said a few hours ago Carroll is a poor finisher
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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IMO kenny should get at least another 6 months. The way I look at it we were hovering above relegation when he took over last season and it was looking for a while like we might nick fourth! That was a great turn around, and up until Xmas this season we were playing good football but we couldn't score goals. Agreed since then it's been a bit dire but we have still been in two cup finals and won one of them. So it hasn't been totally horrific. So to me he's had a bad 5/6 months but let's not forget he's been incharge for 18
As for the transfers, sure they haven't worked out but hendo is young, do he still gets time in my eyes. Remember Lucas in the first few seasons? Downing has been poor but who could have dotting that after his magnificent season for villa last year. Carroll has taken time to settle in, but now the fans are getting behind him he seems to be hitting his stride. Adam is crap and i never understood why we bought him. We bought a lot of players and tried to integrate them into our first team. It's never going to be all flying colours from the off.
Those of you blowing hot air up jova, cole and babels ring pieces need to read back a few years at their opinions of them when they were here. Bar babel who let's be fair only had flashes of brilliance they were poor for us.
Also saying not sacking a manager because their is nobody else being a stupid reason, try telling that to wolves! I'd happily wave kenny off if mouhrinho was coming in but you have to be realistic about who we will get and there is no top drawer manager we could get currently. Before you start singing about rafa let's not forget his stint at inter...... +1 for the Wolves comment. Sacking the manager didn't really work out for them, did it? Sorry to play Devil's advocate here, but keeping Steve Kean hasn't helped Blackburn much either. I agree with the comment earlier that Kenny wasn't FSG's first choice, that his assignment was an emergency in the light of the disaster that Hodgson was overseeing. They had someone else in mind, perhaps AVB, but he was not available at the drop of a hat. If we assume that person was AVB, FSG are faced with a difficult choice: sack a manager who is still popular with the fans (sentimentally or otherwise) and who does not appear to have lost the dressing room the way Hodgson and Rafa clearly had and hire a manager who was just sacked by a rival club for leaving them too far out of the CL places (with CL qualification as our stated goal), or keep a manager whose last 6 months of league results read like an obituary, or somehow find someone else who will be accepted by the fans and players and who will be successful. I'm not fussed either way - if we sign a new manager, so be it, because I trust that the owners are trying to do what they feel is best for the club. But I disagree that we should keep Kenny for 6 months. We must either let him retire now or we must keep him for another full season. Half measures will not achieve what we want, and there's a non-zero chance that he can make something out of this under-performing side that seems to finally be showing signs of progress.
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Most games this season we have started with 5 outfield players that weren't here last season. It takes time to generate an understanding. Your not gonna be smashing every one with a side that hasn't had time to gel
Also let's not forget the league is a lot tougher now than it was when rafa was here.
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It worked for chelsea
sheffield wednsesday
newcastle
Sunderland
and it might work for QPR
You cannot include Chelsea in this coz they go through managers like toilet paper and have spent more on compensation. Then players on last few yrs! One team always over achieve in any one season and I think Newcastle fit the bill this yr
changing the manager works
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Yes, but enough time to turn it around after a busy summer.
We need to sign quality who can do it now, if not, more of the same next season.
I feel Carroll will fire on all cylinders next season, meaning plenty of goals and we will have Lucas back, which will help Gerrard.
A good start is paramount next season and a win on the first day to set the tempo. If we start well, it will carry over and Kenny will have the chance to challenge and turn it around. As you youself said a few hours ago Carroll is a poor finisher eh?
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