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Why is everyone getting on Dirk Kuyt's back? He has hardly got a look in this season! If Kuyt and Maxi had played as much as Downing, Adam or Henderson this season then I'll make a safe bet that we would be in a better position!

The reason they haven't played as much, who knows? Perhaps its a coincidence that they were not signed by Kenny and were already at the club, rather like Meireles, Aquilani and Joe Cole!!!

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do you think kuyt has been good anytime he has played for liverpool this year or even last year. how managers keep playing him on the wing is madness.

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I don't think he's good enough, not at all! However I'd have him on the right ahead of Henderson every day of the week!

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Originally Posted By: heggypompom
thanks for making my point for me.

Should this club have higher expectations than ours

who has won 5 european trophies

who has won 18 league titles

three uefa cups

three uefa super cups

please remind me



By all means feel free to accept the way Abramovich runs his club as utopia, but some of us know we do not intend to throw money away in trying to win the CL to the exclusion of all others. Abramovich doesn't expect to win the CL - he simply believes it will become his if he throws enough money at it. What happens if he achieves it? Will he sell the club? The Liverpool Way implies winning something again and again, dominating the sport, and money alone is not enough for that.

Therefore we still have the greater expectation.

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Thats my point why are we playing players out of position all the time. Henderson is not a winger he is a CM play him there or dont play why we paid 16 million for a CM to play on the wing is a joke. Kuyt is a striker not a winger he has no pace cant run down the wing and put a cross into the box.

Liverpool football club should playing real wingers not makeshift ones. As far as i am concerned the main problem with liverpool is they have no pace whatsoever in the team. Glen johnson is the fastest player in the 1st team and he is our right back doesnt make sense. he is better qualified to play on the wing than maxi kuyt henderson jonjo is.

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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
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In Carheex defence, we lost to Man U in Kenny's first game, and we lost putting in a passionate performance and losing only 1-0. And that's with 10 men. That's hardly a disastrous result. It WAS an improvement on the previous form.


And the same can happen against Chelsea, who are no mugs in the FA Cup. There's no remarks column, only who won. This trophy will bring real meaning back to the season, because 8th + the Carling Cup is a disaster. I think we have every bit as much chance as Chelsea of winning in such a one-off game regardless of our manager, but I'd rather change personnel away from such a cauldron of emotion.

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For what it's worth, I don't think winning the cup will influence any decision as to whether FSG keep him or not. No matter what happens we will have had our worst league campaign (despite massive investment) since we last got relegated - that on it's own should be enough to warrant a change in management.


I'm not going to try defend Kenny because the league performance simply hasn't been good enough, but I doubt that it's as easy as you say to sack a manager who wins 2 trophies in his first full season at the club. I know the final is only one game, but he got us there, and if he lifts that cup as well it shows he still has some merit. Rafa was very poor in the league for his first two seasons as well (that "other time" Everton finished above us in the EPL was under his first season watch), but he won enough other things (and the league was lopsided enough) that he had time to adjust. Are we to not grant Kenny the same leeway because our league campaign wheels fell off in January while Suarez was banned?


In terms of results, January was actually our best month though.



I beg your pardon? 3-0 loss at City. 1-1 at home to Stoke. 3-0 loss at Bolton? We managed to thrash Wolves, yes, but who hasn't? "Best month"? Unless you're referring to those cup games, of course...


Let's not split hairs about which competitions the results came in. Your point is that we suffered because of Suarez's absence, but let's look at the facts relating to how many points we have picked up (turn away now if you're squeamish....)

January - 4pts
February - 1pt
March - 3pts
April - 7pts

So Suarez's return didnt make a huge difference did it? Pointless argument anyway - Suarez or no Suarez, you can't spend £115m and justify your collapse on the absence of 1 attacker.

Actually, I feel a bit sick now looking back at our points per month this year - I can't believe the manager responsible for the above is still employed by the club!!!!. I'm going for a lie down....

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don't understand this debate, no champions league next season and 100 million plus spent

is a joke

ancelotti got sacked for finishing second

kenny must leave before the new season starts


Comparing Liverpool with Chelsea in terms of what it takes to sack a manager really is a cheap shot. Scraping the barrel one might say. Ancellotti got sacked because he didn't win the Champion's League, just like every CFC manager before him.


And now they are on the cusp of winning it so who are you to suggest that their approach is wrong? In all walks of life you keep changing things until you achieve your goals so I don't see what your problem is really.

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To be fair though, Chelsea being in the final this year is more by accident than by design. I think it would be foolish to call their chopping and changing of managers the source of their success. At the moment, they're just experiencing the post-sacking bump that just about every team that's ever sacked a manager experiences.


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There are a lot of players (to many) who deserve to be "sacked", that's for sure!

....there are a few players who are on thin ice also.

I mean Dirk Kuyt has been coming out all season moaning about a lack of playing, "I'm going to leave" etc etc

Yet when he has played, what the f*ck as he done?

He didn't make one pass last night and looked not bothered. I'm sorry, but if you want to leave, go Dirk!

Thanks for the memories. Your not as good as you think.

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chelsea owner had balls

Do FSG?


I will listen, only if your answer contains wisdom



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