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Besides, decisions must be made on what is best for the club and nothing else. Which is almost certainly why they haven't sacked him! Let's consider the effect of sacking Hodgson, shall we, since you bring it up. Kenny's first game in charge was an FA Cup game at Old Trafford which we lost. If Gerrard was trying to impress the hell out of the new manager (which you say brings out the best in them), then all it did was get in the way because he got himself sent off. I'm sure we want a repeat of that at Wembley! What's the best way to replace people? When there is no pressure. Yet according to you changing a manager mere days before the most important game of this season for the club is "perfect timing"? Which planet are you on? I'm on planet earth, where LFC are looking over their shoulder at the bottom half of the table - where are you? Nothing you have said changes the fact that teams usually do very well once they have been relieved of a massively underperforming manager. If we are keeping kenny in charge of the final just because it's the 'nice thing to do', and for kenny's benefit, then I believe that is the wrong decision. As for saturday being 'the most important game of the season' for the club, let me remind you why that is shall I? the only reason it is our most important game is because kenny screwed up any chance of doing well in the league with his atrocious signings, before the season had even begun meaning the cups were the only thing we were in the running for. Yet this is the man that some people want to see claiming glory and possibly retaining his job for another season! Mate, regardless of what has gone before this is the most important game of the season. New managers do bring good things with them, but not necessarily in the first game. If the new manager loses such a vital first game it creates a negative impression with the fans (and maybe the players) and then changing the manager might have been a worse mistake than keeping him. Not that you will see that because you are blind to all possibilities outside your opinion. If we were going to sack Kenny for the good of the club we needed to do it after we lost to Newcastle. Now it's too late to do anything without risk of further disrupting a system in disarray. We're better off waiting for the summer when everyone can take a step back and see properly what is good for the club.
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To be honest, I don't care if he goes now or next month...as long as he goes. I'll be disappointed if he's allowed some personal glory by winning the FA cup after such an abysmal season but if that means he chooses to stand down on a 'high' then it'll be worth it I guess.
For what it's worth, I don't think winning the cup will influence any decision as to whether FSG keep him or not. No matter what happens we will have had our worst league campaign (despite massive investment) since we last got relegated - that on it's own should be enough to warrant a change in management.
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In Carheex defence, we lost to Man U in Kenny's first game, and we lost putting in a passionate performance and losing only 1-0. And that's with 10 men. That's hardly a disastrous result. It WAS an improvement on the previous form. And the same can happen against Chelsea, who are no mugs in the FA Cup. There's no remarks column, only who won. This trophy will bring real meaning back to the season, because 8th + the Carling Cup is a disaster. I think we have every bit as much chance as Chelsea of winning in such a one-off game regardless of our manager, but I'd rather change personnel away from such a cauldron of emotion. For what it's worth, I don't think winning the cup will influence any decision as to whether FSG keep him or not. No matter what happens we will have had our worst league campaign (despite massive investment) since we last got relegated - that on it's own should be enough to warrant a change in management. I'm not going to try defend Kenny because the league performance simply hasn't been good enough, but I doubt that it's as easy as you say to sack a manager who wins 2 trophies in his first full season at the club. I know the final is only one game, but he got us there, and if he lifts that cup as well it shows he still has some merit. Rafa was very poor in the league for his first two seasons as well (that "other time" Everton finished above us in the EPL was under his first season watch), but he won enough other things (and the league was lopsided enough) that he had time to adjust. Are we to not grant Kenny the same leeway because our league campaign wheels fell off in January while Suarez was banned?
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In Carheex defence, we lost to Man U in Kenny's first game, and we lost putting in a passionate performance and losing only 1-0. And that's with 10 men. That's hardly a disastrous result. It WAS an improvement on the previous form. And the same can happen against Chelsea, who are no mugs in the FA Cup. There's no remarks column, only who won. This trophy will bring real meaning back to the season, because 8th + the Carling Cup is a disaster. I think we have every bit as much chance as Chelsea of winning in such a one-off game regardless of our manager, but I'd rather change personnel away from such a cauldron of emotion. For what it's worth, I don't think winning the cup will influence any decision as to whether FSG keep him or not. No matter what happens we will have had our worst league campaign (despite massive investment) since we last got relegated - that on it's own should be enough to warrant a change in management. I'm not going to try defend Kenny because the league performance simply hasn't been good enough, but I doubt that it's as easy as you say to sack a manager who wins 2 trophies in his first full season at the club. I know the final is only one game, but he got us there, and if he lifts that cup as well it shows he still has some merit. Rafa was very poor in the league for his first two seasons as well (that "other time" Everton finished above us in the EPL was under his first season watch), but he won enough other things (and the league was lopsided enough) that he had time to adjust. Are we to not grant Kenny the same leeway because our league campaign wheels fell off in January while Suarez was banned? In terms of results, January was actually our best month though.
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don't understand this debate, no champions league next season and 100 million plus spent
is a joke
ancelotti got sacked for finishing second
kenny must leave before the new season starts
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In Carheex defence, we lost to Man U in Kenny's first game, and we lost putting in a passionate performance and losing only 1-0. And that's with 10 men. That's hardly a disastrous result. It WAS an improvement on the previous form. And the same can happen against Chelsea, who are no mugs in the FA Cup. There's no remarks column, only who won. This trophy will bring real meaning back to the season, because 8th + the Carling Cup is a disaster. I think we have every bit as much chance as Chelsea of winning in such a one-off game regardless of our manager, but I'd rather change personnel away from such a cauldron of emotion. For what it's worth, I don't think winning the cup will influence any decision as to whether FSG keep him or not. No matter what happens we will have had our worst league campaign (despite massive investment) since we last got relegated - that on it's own should be enough to warrant a change in management. I'm not going to try defend Kenny because the league performance simply hasn't been good enough, but I doubt that it's as easy as you say to sack a manager who wins 2 trophies in his first full season at the club. I know the final is only one game, but he got us there, and if he lifts that cup as well it shows he still has some merit. Rafa was very poor in the league for his first two seasons as well (that "other time" Everton finished above us in the EPL was under his first season watch), but he won enough other things (and the league was lopsided enough) that he had time to adjust. Are we to not grant Kenny the same leeway because our league campaign wheels fell off in January while Suarez was banned? In terms of results, January was actually our best month though. I beg your pardon? 3-0 loss at City. 1-1 at home to Stoke. 3-0 loss at Bolton? We managed to thrash Wolves, yes, but who hasn't? "Best month"? Unless you're referring to those cup games, of course...
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don't understand this debate, no champions league next season and 100 million plus spent
is a joke
ancelotti got sacked for finishing second
kenny must leave before the new season starts Comparing Liverpool with Chelsea in terms of what it takes to sack a manager really is a cheap shot. Scraping the barrel one might say. Ancellotti got sacked because he didn't win the Champion's League, just like every CFC manager before him.
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thanks for making my point for me.
Should this club have higher expectations than ours
who has won 5 european trophies
who has won 18 league titles
three uefa cups
three uefa super cups
please remind me
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Biggest problem with Kenny is he is too loyal to the players that are not good enough to play for liverpool he has been in charge for a season and a half and he still has identified that the team lacks attacking pace and there are players there that are just not good enough simple as saying kuyt works hard and doesnt stop running thats something you expect to say about a team fighting for relegation. he needs to get rid of at least 7 or 8 players in the summer and replace them players that can attack with pace.
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