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To quote your goodself from the previous page, "I assume you have proof" that those who left were on 'high wages'.....?

It's not just about the wages though is it? There's the enormous transfer fees to think of as well plus ridiculous agent fees. For years we've been spending as if we are one of europe's top clubs but for a few years (since rafa left at least) we aren't even one of england top clubs. Come to think of it, we're not even merseyside's top club at the moment!!! You only have to look at how much we spend as a club relative to our league position, to see what kind of shape we are in and whether we are making progress.

I shudder to think what could have done with all this money we now have.

top 4 would have been the least we could have expected.

Why quote me on that, when in my actual last post I said myself "I don't know this for a fact, but..". None of us do. You say it's not just about wages - the post I replied to was just about wages, so that's what I was responding to. If you want to bring tranfer fees into it, then yes, it's obvious we've overpaid for Carroll, Henderson and Downing. No doubt about that really. We are indeed the top club on Merseyside though.

league position would disagree but I know what you mean

Bar jsut one question mate.

what do you see (next season) as an acceptable league place if Kenny stays?

IF he stays, and that's still a big 'if' for me, then 4th place has GOT to be the bare minimum. I know people will say, "but that was the aim for this season, where does it stop?". I think that 4th place WAS the aim for this season, but I don't think it was exactly essential to him keeping his job. I t would have been expected for us to challenge for a top 4 spot, but if we failed to get one and maybe won a trophy, then it'd still be a decent season. As of the last couple of months, we haven't even been in the race for 4th, after that awful run of losses. It's not good enough, so IF he gets another season, 4th place will have to be the bare minimum, no two ways about it. I think most people would agree with that.

4th place must be the least accepted.

I am hoping for more but I am hopeless romantic

If I am honest we have the same chance of winning the League as finishing 4th next season, it simply aint gonna happen, ofcorse I would love it to but we are sliding backwards instead of forwards. I have said before I cant see the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal being as poor again next season as they have been this season and even if Spurs do lose there manager there is still a gap too wide to bridge between us and them over just one season, Newcastle will improve and build too.

There is no choice we HAVE to get champions league football. John Henry has not invested all that money to languish in mid table. He may start with Kenny next season but expect fireworks if it has not changed by Dec.

Its interesting looking at the league table. Chelsea arent exactly racing clear at the top of the premiership/ Ok they are in the CL final but I presume they would have to win it to get back in the tournament next year?

If they were to lose the FA cup final and the CL final they would have had a rotten season you might say. Don't want to tempt fate, as they are firing on all cylanders at the moment but 6th in the premier league? And LFC 8th maybe 7th? All depends on the FA cup final i really think KD needs to win it or NESV will axe him. They are probably already looking beyond his reign for the next guy anyway

Stanley December will be far to late to salvage a season of 4th if it goes wrong, can you honestly see us going any higher then 7th or 8th with this manager and current crop of players because I cant.
I think not playing Champions League football for 3 seasons makes it probably impossible to force your way back in never mind 4 which will be what next season is.