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liverpool havent won the league since 1990 over 20 odd years and counting so liverpool are not a league team no more and unless there are massive massive improvments on and off the pitch the wait will be much longer so liverpool are a cup team .
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Yes but the league is not just winning the league in fact thats less significance than it used to be. Its about being in the top 4 and champions league and playing alongside europes elite. Up till recently Liverpool were in that areana and its slipped away.
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Yes but the league is not just winning the league in fact thats less significance than it used to be. Its about being in the top 4 and champions league and playing alongside europes elite. Up till recently Liverpool were in that areana and its slipped away. Spot. Fu!king. On. It is incredibly hard to win the league now. How much money has City spent!? I consider Arsenal a fantastic league team because they are in the top 4 year on year, even if they don't win a PL title.
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We saw progress early on with Rafa and Houiller and Roy Evans for that matter. In fact did Rafa not win something in his first year as I recall?
Dalglish we have gone backwards with the biggest transfer budget in our history.
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Despite the sizes of some of the squads and the money available it is nigh on impossible for any team to be totally dominantin this country.
For all the millions spunked on players Citeh have one FA Cup win to their name and another 35-40 years back to their last trophy of any type.
Getting back to top 4 is going to be a hard task but it can be done. The cup wins show that we can beat the best or supposedly best sides on our day. We are just not consistent against the lower ranked teams. If we only took 3 or 4 points minimum off Wigan, Fulham, Sunderland, Stoke, Swansea, QPR, Norwich next season and performed as well as wwe have against the rest then we finish top 4.
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We saw progress early on with Rafa and Houiller and Roy Evans for that matter. In fact did Rafa not win something in his first year as I recall?
Dalglish we have gone backwards with the biggest transfer budget in our history. You can't compare transfer budgets across decades - all these managers spunked money on poor players. And the jury is still out on our recent signings... you've half admitted this yourself. Yes Rafa won something in his first season... and Dalglish has too. Give some credit where it's due... don't be a koppite Grinch! Carling Cup - European Champions League ahh yes one trophy each. I stand corrected Kop Prophet the win against Cardiff was equal to anything against AC milan.
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you cannnot seriously compare the carling cup to champions league success
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The performance we put in against Cardiff was on par with Istanbul,
I think your point here KP has been well and truly made
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The performance we put in against Cardiff was on par with Istanbul,
I think your point here KP has been well and truly made No sale Hegster.... your sloppy paraphrases don't fool anyone. You beat what's in front of you whether it's Alaves, Milan, West Ham, Cardiff, or Chelsea. You try to win every trophy... and any manager who brings home a trophy deserves credit. Any fan worth his salt can get with that programme. Kenny absolutely deserves credit for 2 finals, and possibly 2 cups. However, the domestic cups were still more important in Houllier and early Benitez era. They have got less and less important every year though. I definitely think Kenny deserves a well done for cup performances. But equally, his astonishing failure in the league far overshadows it. If we are gonna be fair lets be fair. Credit where credit is due for cup wins, but criticism where criticism is due for an abysmal league season. The league is also more important in my eyes. So the criticism outweighs the the credit for me. Though I do praise him for the spirit he has instilled in this team in cup games.
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The performance we put in against Cardiff was on par with Istanbul,
I think your point here KP has been well and truly made No sale Hegster.... your sloppy paraphrases don't fool anyone. You beat what's in front of you whether it's Alaves, Milan, West Ham, Cardiff, or Chelsea. You try to win every trophy... and any manager who brings home a trophy deserves credit. Any fan worth his salt can get with that programme. Kenny absolutely deserves credit for 2 finals, and possibly 2 cups. However, the domestic cups were still more important in Houllier and early Benitez era. They have got less and less important every year though. I definitely think Kenny deserves a well done for cup performances. But equally, his astonishing failure in the league far overshadows it. If we are gonna be fair lets be fair. Credit where credit is due for cup wins, but criticism where criticism is due for an abysmal league season. The league is also more important in my eyes. So the criticism outweighs the the credit for me. Though I do praise him for the spirit he has instilled in this team in cup games. That's a very good point which no one has brought up yet. When kenny himself comes out and says that the big clubs don't take the carling cup seriously, there is only so much joy you can take in the victory. It really is one for the teams who aren't competing for proper silverware.
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