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Maybe the fact that winning the cup didn't give the players any kind of motivation to kick on shows how unimportant it was to them, away from the cameras.

shall we change it round for you and say we played cardiff earlier on and beat Chelsea or City in the final? your point is again irrelevant.
Also we also played weekened teams - Flanaghan, Coates, Carragher, Spearing, Shelvey , kelly, maxi have all played in the Carling cup and at the time were not considered first choice.

The winner of the Carling Cup gets prestige and the sponsers want Liverpool to be lifting trophies for the media exposure, actually helps to secure sponsership. You dont see the front of the papers showing the 4th Place celebrations do you?

Come on CP1972 I normally agree with your posts but Carling Cup inferred as better than 4th place?. Not in the papers for 4th place? well yes you are next day after the following seasons champions league games. Plus if you win Champions league you get world publicity and a list in the hall of fame. We still talk about our 81 european cup win I am sure without looking it up you know that was Real Madrid but we won the league cup in 81 also you might be interested to know, without looking it up who did we play ? Exactly !

Originally Posted By: CarheeX

Don't try and make out that the carling cup victory is anything special...

1) it is the wooden spoon of cups
2) we struggled in the final against a championship side
3) even dalglish admitted that the big clubs don't take it seriously and field weakened teams
4) how much revenue does it generate? I'll tell you - the winner of the carling cup gets a laughable £100,000!!! The club earns more money each week from selling hot-snacks

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I think that is just a negative view on what could be the start of us winning more silverware on a regular basis.

1) It might be the wooden spoons of cups, but it is an appearance at wembley, a piece of silverware, a way into europe and an end of our trophy-less 6 year period.

2) We may have struggled against Cardiff, but we won and that is the main thing, we certainly didnt struggle against CHelsea and City in previous rounds

3) True, Dalglish does that, but what he is saying there is that we respect every cup we play in, and we try and win every cup we play in. So when us fans travel Exeter on a tuesday night, you will see Suarez, Bellamy, Kuyt etc playing.

4) The revenue from our carling cup win does not just happen from the final, it is all the rounds and the merchandise sold.

I thought we would of improved more in the league, and we have been a shambles, but the bit of positive that we do have people want to bring it down.

WHat if we went on a run now of winning all remaining games and picking up a 6th place finish and an FA Cup winners medal. That for me would be an improvement

I have never owned an x box in fact I have never seen one. I think Carling Cup and a cup final would be success if we had progressed in the league. The club's future is not based on cups, cup's are in the main luck better liverpool sides than we have now have gone out in the FA cup third round. The money in football is not from cups and if that is our plan we are finished.

Yeah however if we are winning cups, then wouldn't that lead to players staying at the club?

I agree with you stanley, I look at the domestic cups as the icing with the league as the main ingrediants, without the main ingrediants the whole thing will be tasteless.
Surely F.S.G. want a better return for there outlay than just a possible two domestic cups, the worst thing of all is that we have gone backwards since last season which surely cant be accepted, last year we were chasing United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs this season we are trying to hang onto the coatails of Newcastle and Everton, enough is enough, we need them to take action, Commoli sacking was'nt enough, we want the head of the person who give him his orders in the first place, buck stops with the manager.

Its players coming to the club I am more worried about

I don't think we will have much of a problem, we won't sign world class players, however teams liked United or Spurs seem to be doing well without directly signings a world class player.

Are we really still debating this dead topic?

The league is more important than the cups. But for a side underperforming in the league, the cups provide a welcome outlet to build morale/confidence and to get some tangible reward in the form of silverware and bragging rights.

People scorn us because we're a cup team. But I'd rather we were a cup team than a bunch of mid-table no-hopers, which is what we would be without the Carling Cup and the FA Cup final.

It is not our goal to forsake the league and pursue cup success - I wish people would stop pedalling this untruth. But the league as a competition was over for us the moment we lost to Arsenal. We're only playing for pride now, but pride in the shirt is hard to come by when half the match day squad wasn't at the club at the start of last season. The league could finish 5 games early and it wouldn't matter to us. The FA Cup still provides some incentive outside personal willpower - and that is where the players might learn that pride.

The rest of the difference is only monetary, and only really matters to the top 4 because of the Champions' League group phase payout. As soon as you're out of the running for that, the next most important thing is to not get relegated. Only when a side has that belief and that pride will it get anywhere in the league (look at Swansea and Norwich, and of late Wigan, for instance). But for the Evertons, Sunderlands, and sadly Liverpools of the world, we lost our "mojo" and have not yet recovered it. 2 cups is better than none - and may represent important stepping stones for the current squad.