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I think if kenny stays, this time around he will buy players that he can fit into the system he wants.
WHATEVER THAT SYSTEM IS
If that system wins, does it matter what it is? Not a jot. I'm hoping Kenny takes heed of the win ratio playing 2 up front rather than opting for the one up front system. If he is to stay, kenny could really do with ending on a high and some wins. That way we can take a bit of momentum and optimism through the summer to the beginning of the new season. If he stays because another trophy but remains poor in the league, I think it could be a bit of a nervous grey cloud of the club over summer. Not the greatest for moral.
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I think if we win the FA cup (Hopefully) Kenny will not be removed and will be given an extra season and to be fair, I don't think anyone can argue with that winning those two trophies. Have to disagree with that, I think he should be removed as soon as the season finishes. No matter wether we win two trophies or not, the League campagn has proved them to be hollow, you cant seriously keep a manager who has spent over 100 million pound and is going to finish about 15 points behind a Newcastle team he raided for there two best players. The owners were fair with Dalglish when they gave him the job, they provided him with unlimited funds, allowed him to bring in his own backroom staff and gave him full control all they asked in return was Champions League football, now considering our main rivals had European commitments and Chelsea and Arsenal our two main rivals have had the worst seasons in memory I dont think that was an unrealistic ask. We now find ourselves further away from Champions League than ever, behind Everton of all Clubs who have spent nothing and worst of the lot nothing to hold onto as in things will be better next season, if anything given our form since January we are real relegation material.
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Dont let the cups paper over the cracks. look at brum last year lads
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What I see here are the optimists willing to give an inch and say that not getting top is not good enough and MAY cost Kenny his job. But the pessimists are not give one iota of credit for what we've done in both cup competitions this year, which I think is a big miscalculation. Yes, FSG wanted Kenny to come in the top 4 and he has come up short. But they did not expect him to win both cups and so he may come up in their estimation to make up for the top 4 miss. They may also consider the state of the club when he took over and give him another season with a better Football Director. I do think Kenny deserves his share of credit for success in the cups. The cups aren't what they used to be, and aren't top of the list for the big clubs who are competing for the title (spurs and Chelsea are not competing for the title before anyone mentions them), but we have still had to beat fairly strong teams put out by those sides. We have shown real determination and spirit coming back against Everton, that was one of my favourite performances this season just for sheer not giving up. I think a year or 2 ago we would have rolled over. Kenny deserves a lot of credit for instilling that.
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What I see here are the optimists willing to give an inch and say that not getting top is not good enough and MAY cost Kenny his job. But the pessimists are not give one iota of credit for what we've done in both cup competitions this year, which I think is a big miscalculation. Yes, FSG wanted Kenny to come in the top 4 and he has come up short. But they did not expect him to win both cups and so he may come up in their estimation to make up for the top 4 miss. They may also consider the state of the club when he took over and give him another season with a better Football Director. I do think Kenny deserves his share of credit for success in the cups. The cups aren't what they used to be, and aren't top of the list for the big clubs who are competing for the title (spurs and Chelsea are not competing for the title before anyone mentions them), but we have still had to beat fairly strong teams put out by those sides. We have shown real determination and spirit coming back against Everton, that was one of my favourite performances this season just for sheer not giving up. I think a year or 2 ago we would have rolled over. Kenny deserves a lot of credit for instilling that. I don't think Kenny gets enough credit for the cups because fans "undervalue" them. I'm sorry to burst some bubbles, but we only played 5 lower league teams in the 11 Cup matches to date (Brighton twice, Oldham, Exeter, and Cardiff). Of the remaining 6 games, we had to do several things that few (if any) clubs have achieved this season: beat Stoke away, beat Chelsea away, beat Man City away (of their other home games against English sides, City have drawn one and won the rest), beat Man United. In fact, the only "easy" tie of those 6 was Stoke at Anfield - and they were always going to come to park the bus to get the easy 1-1 and take the replay back home, so even that was hardly a straight-forward fixture. We've been poor in the league, yes. But we've been nothing short of impressive in the cups, and that should never be taken for granted.
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What I see here are the optimists willing to give an inch and say that not getting top is not good enough and MAY cost Kenny his job. But the pessimists are not give one iota of credit for what we've done in both cup competitions this year, which I think is a big miscalculation. Yes, FSG wanted Kenny to come in the top 4 and he has come up short. But they did not expect him to win both cups and so he may come up in their estimation to make up for the top 4 miss. They may also consider the state of the club when he took over and give him another season with a better Football Director. I do think Kenny deserves his share of credit for success in the cups. The cups aren't what they used to be, and aren't top of the list for the big clubs who are competing for the title (spurs and Chelsea are not competing for the title before anyone mentions them), but we have still had to beat fairly strong teams put out by those sides. We have shown real determination and spirit coming back against Everton, that was one of my favourite performances this season just for sheer not giving up. I think a year or 2 ago we would have rolled over. Kenny deserves a lot of credit for instilling that. I don't think Kenny gets enough credit for the cups because fans "undervalue" them. I'm sorry to burst some bubbles, but we only played 5 lower league teams in the 11 Cup matches to date (Brighton twice, Oldham, Exeter, and Cardiff). Of the remaining 6 games, we had to do several things that few (if any) clubs have achieved this season: beat Stoke away, beat Chelsea away, beat Man City away (of their other home games against English sides, City have drawn one and won the rest), beat Man United. In fact, the only "easy" tie of those 6 was Stoke at Anfield - and they were always going to come to park the bus to get the easy 1-1 and take the replay back home, so even that was hardly a straight-forward fixture. We've been poor in the league, yes. But we've been nothing short of impressive in the cups, and that should never be taken for granted. My point was Man Utd and City didn't put out what their fans consider their first 11, so clearly their manager 'undervalued' the cups as well. Never said we weren't impressive in the cups if that was aimed at me though. We have done really well. Knock out competitions are really tough and at times we have shown creativity and others resilience. Two brilliant assets that Kenny deserves credit for instilling as it definitely wasn't there under Hodgson. As much as some undervalue the cups, I so too think some peopve 'overvalue' them though. Kenny deserves a lot of credit for getting cup games right, but FA cup and League Cup that utd and City opted to field less than their full strength side isn't the bench mark nor the measuring stick FSG said we were being tested against. Our goal was top 4.
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What I see here are the optimists willing to give an inch and say that not getting top is not good enough and MAY cost Kenny his job. But the pessimists are not give one iota of credit for what we've done in both cup competitions this year, which I think is a big miscalculation. Yes, FSG wanted Kenny to come in the top 4 and he has come up short. But they did not expect him to win both cups and so he may come up in their estimation to make up for the top 4 miss. They may also consider the state of the club when he took over and give him another season with a better Football Director. I do think Kenny deserves his share of credit for success in the cups. The cups aren't what they used to be, and aren't top of the list for the big clubs who are competing for the title (spurs and Chelsea are not competing for the title before anyone mentions them), but we have still had to beat fairly strong teams put out by those sides. We have shown real determination and spirit coming back against Everton, that was one of my favourite performances this season just for sheer not giving up. I think a year or 2 ago we would have rolled over. Kenny deserves a lot of credit for instilling that. I don't think Kenny gets enough credit for the cups because fans "undervalue" them. I'm sorry to burst some bubbles, but we only played 5 lower league teams in the 11 Cup matches to date (Brighton twice, Oldham, Exeter, and Cardiff). Of the remaining 6 games, we had to do several things that few (if any) clubs have achieved this season: beat Stoke away, beat Chelsea away, beat Man City away (of their other home games against English sides, City have drawn one and won the rest), beat Man United. In fact, the only "easy" tie of those 6 was Stoke at Anfield - and they were always going to come to park the bus to get the easy 1-1 and take the replay back home, so even that was hardly a straight-forward fixture. We've been poor in the league, yes. But we've been nothing short of impressive in the cups, and that should never be taken for granted. , so clearly their manager 'undervalued' the cups as well. Never said we weren't impressive in the cups if that was aimed at me though. We have done really well. Knock out competitions are really tough and at times we have shown creativity and others resilience. Two brilliant assets that Kenny deserves credit for instilling as it definitely wasn't there under Hodgson. As much as some undervalue the cups, I so too think some peopve 'overvalue' them though. Kenny deserves a lot of credit for getting cup games right, but FA cup and League Cup that utd and City opted to field less than their full strength side isn't the bench mark nor the measuring stick FSG said we were being tested against. Our goal was top 4. Did you really think their fans were going to say 'Liverpool were better than us' . Look at the teams they put out and then come back. Man City at Anfield threw everything at us. Dzeko, Aguero, Johnson, Silva, Nasri all played
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I do think Kenny deserves his share of credit for success in the cups. The cups aren't what they used to be, and aren't top of the list for the big clubs who are competing for the title (spurs and Chelsea are not competing for the title before anyone mentions them), but we have still had to beat fairly strong teams put out by those sides. We have shown real determination and spirit coming back against Everton, that was one of my favourite performances this season just for sheer not giving up. I think a year or 2 ago we would have rolled over. Kenny deserves a lot of credit for instilling that.
I don't think Kenny gets enough credit for the cups because fans "undervalue" them. I'm sorry to burst some bubbles, but we only played 5 lower league teams in the 11 Cup matches to date (Brighton twice, Oldham, Exeter, and Cardiff). Of the remaining 6 games, we had to do several things that few (if any) clubs have achieved this season: beat Stoke away, beat Chelsea away, beat Man City away (of their other home games against English sides, City have drawn one and won the rest), beat Man United. In fact, the only "easy" tie of those 6 was Stoke at Anfield - and they were always going to come to park the bus to get the easy 1-1 and take the replay back home, so even that was hardly a straight-forward fixture. We've been poor in the league, yes. But we've been nothing short of impressive in the cups, and that should never be taken for granted. , so clearly their manager 'undervalued' the cups as well. Never said we weren't impressive in the cups if that was aimed at me though. We have done really well. Knock out competitions are really tough and at times we have shown creativity and others resilience. Two brilliant assets that Kenny deserves credit for instilling as it definitely wasn't there under Hodgson. As much as some undervalue the cups, I so too think some peopve 'overvalue' them though. Kenny deserves a lot of credit for getting cup games right, but FA cup and League Cup that utd and City opted to field less than their full strength side isn't the bench mark nor the measuring stick FSG said we were being tested against. Our goal was top 4. Did you really think their fans were going to say 'Liverpool were better than us' . I'm not sure what relevance that has mate? It isn't that they considered it to be less than a first team after we won, and them making excuses rather than conceding we were the better team. They fielded a weakened side. Look at the teams they put out and then come back. Man City at Anfield threw everything at us. Dzeko, Aguero, Johnson, Silva, Nasri all played Dzeko, Johnson, and at the time Nasri wern't in the first 11. Whilst all players of a high quality. They wern't playing week in week out. That wasn't their best 11.
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Don't try and make out that the carling cup victory is anything special...
1) it is the wooden spoon of cups
2) we struggled in the final against a championship side
3) even dalglish admitted that the big clubs don't take it seriously and field weakened teams
4) how much revenue does it generate? I'll tell you - the winner of the carling cup gets a laughable £100,000!!! The club earns more money each week from selling hot-snacks!
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Don't try and make out that the carling cup victory is anything special...
1) it is the wooden spoon of cups
2) we struggled in the final against a championship side
3) even dalglish admitted that the big clubs don't take it seriously and field weakened teams
4) how much revenue does it generate? I'll tell you - the winner of the carling cup gets a laughable £100,000!!! The club earns more money each week from selling hot-snacks!
Whilst I agree the big sides do field weakened teams. I don't think you should belittle the league cup to that extent. It isn't about the money, it is about lifting a trophy and the feeling that gives the players and the fans. It is a shame we couldn't use that to kick on. But we should have done. I'm proud my club lifted the league cup this year. I'm proud to be a part of the FA cup semi final. Yes we struggled against a championship side, but it is a cup final, they played probably 130% better than they normally do, whereas unfortunately it is incredibly hard for the much bigger team to guard against some level of complacency. It isn't the wooden spoon of cups. The wooden spoon means you came last in the competition. A league cup trophy means we came out on top after 6 one off games and one 2 legger. That is an achievement, not a wooden spoon.
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