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Replacing AVB was always going to work just depended on the manager to come in, he's not a brillant manager all he's done is re motivated the team with a fresh start only by not being AVB and playing the right players together wasn't rocket science,
e.g not playing sturridge and torres together cause hes a slefish player, playing torres mata and another winger whose not sturridge frequently and torres not spasing up by getting a red or missing an open goal :),
If we sacked Kenny I'm sure the results would improve like chelsea but we'd still be a 6/7th place team for the rest of this season and am sure with the current crop we'd stop losing and draw majority of games and perform a more mixed bag which still isnt good enough
Upcoming world class players IMO for 2014 WORLD CUP:
K-P Boateng, Gotze, Sturridge, Kroos, Lucas Leiva, Hummels, Kyriakos Papadopoulos,
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A few "fans" on here would do well to read this article.
Agreed 
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I think Arsenal and Spurs will have something to say about chelsea finishing in the top four, apart from playing us the remainder of chelsea's games are derbies
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so we are exactly the same as chelsea? we should do what they do? can we not think for ourselves? It's about acting decisively in the interest of the club, nothing to do with copying anyone.
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different situation at Chelsea... they have a set of players who have proven themselves before year in year out. It seems there was a personality clash with a new manager in response to which existing players acted unprofessionally. On his departure and with one of there mates placed in the job they started to pull together it seems. Even if Di Matteo stays as manager next year, which is doubtful, he'll soon need to dismantle and rebuild the team at which point he'll face the same problems.
At LFC, the current players as a group have never been proven successes. Furthermore, the large group of new players owe there presence at the club to Kenny so there's no reason why they should suddenly feel more motivated if Kenny is sacked. Whoever comes in won't have the same rapport with the players as Di Matteo had with his Chelsea colleagues.
So I don't think it's that simple I'm afraid. +1
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
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different situation at Chelsea... they have a set of players who have proven themselves before year in year out. It seems there was a personality clash with a new manager in response to which existing players acted unprofessionally. On his departure and with one of there mates placed in the job they started to pull together it seems. Even if Di Matteo stays as manager next year, which is doubtful, he'll soon need to dismantle and rebuild the team at which point he'll face the same problems.
At LFC, the current players as a group have never been proven successes. Furthermore, the large group of new players owe there presence at the club to Kenny so there's no reason why they should suddenly feel more motivated if Kenny is sacked. Whoever comes in won't have the same rapport with the players as Di Matteo had with his Chelsea colleagues.
So I don't think it's that simple I'm afraid. Have we not learnt the lessons of the past? Chelsea are like Liverpool post Dalglish when Souness came in he tried to move on alot of older senior players(some legends) - Grobs, Hansen, Hussein, Houghton, Beardsley, Nicol, Rush, Mcmahon, gillespie were all in and about 30+yrs old and should have been replaced by Kenny(I agree on this Stanley). Souness introduced youngsters of Matteo, McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp. Thomson and bought Jones and James(and some crap). He failed because he lost the loyalty of senior players, uncle Roy came in and hugged them - we succeeded temporarily but then the legs finally went as did Roy soon after. Chelsea doing exactly the same thing, looks good now but long term they have fudged the real issue.
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different situation at Chelsea... they have a set of players who have proven themselves before year in year out. It seems there was a personality clash with a new manager in response to which existing players acted unprofessionally. On his departure and with one of there mates placed in the job they started to pull together it seems. Even if Di Matteo stays as manager next year, which is doubtful, he'll soon need to dismantle and rebuild the team at which point he'll face the same problems.
At LFC, the current players as a group have never been proven successes. Furthermore, the large group of new players owe there presence at the club to Kenny so there's no reason why they should suddenly feel more motivated if Kenny is sacked. Whoever comes in won't have the same rapport with the players as Di Matteo had with his Chelsea colleagues.
So I don't think it's that simple I'm afraid. Have we not learnt the lessons of the past? Chelsea are like Liverpool post Dalglish when Souness came in he tried to move on alot of older senior players(some legends) - Grobs, Hansen, Hussein, Houghton, Beardsley, Nicol, Rush, Mcmahon, gillespie were all in and about 30+yrs old and should have been replaced by Kenny(I agree on this Stanley). Souness introduced youngsters of Matteo, McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp. Thomson and bought Jones and James(and some crap). He failed because he lost the loyalty of senior players, uncle Roy came in and hugged them - we succeeded temporarily but then the legs finally went as did Roy soon after. Chelsea doing exactly the same thing, looks good now but long term they have fudged the real issue. missed of Hutchinson - also just read again those players Souey brought through, how good did they become. Maybe more patience is needed with the current crop. those 8 players in their pomp together would have been fantastic team.
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different situation at Chelsea... they have a set of players who have proven themselves before year in year out. It seems there was a personality clash with a new manager in response to which existing players acted unprofessionally. On his departure and with one of there mates placed in the job they started to pull together it seems. Even if Di Matteo stays as manager next year, which is doubtful, he'll soon need to dismantle and rebuild the team at which point he'll face the same problems.
At LFC, the current players as a group have never been proven successes. Furthermore, the large group of new players owe there presence at the club to Kenny so there's no reason why they should suddenly feel more motivated if Kenny is sacked. Whoever comes in won't have the same rapport with the players as Di Matteo had with his Chelsea colleagues.
So I don't think it's that simple I'm afraid. Have we not learnt the lessons of the past? Chelsea are like Liverpool post Dalglish when Souness came in he tried to move on alot of older senior players(some legends) - Grobs, Hansen, Hussein, Houghton, Beardsley, Nicol, Rush, Mcmahon, gillespie were all in and about 30+yrs old and should have been replaced by Kenny(I agree on this Stanley). Souness introduced youngsters of Matteo, McManaman, Fowler, Redknapp. Thomson and bought Jones and James(and some crap). He failed because he lost the loyalty of senior players, uncle Roy came in and hugged them - we succeeded temporarily but then the legs finally went as did Roy soon after. Chelsea doing exactly the same thing, looks good now but long term they have fudged the real issue. This has been discussed many times over the years and I've seen a few fascinating conversations where pros gave the views on it too. I prefer the version where Souness correctly knew that some new blood was needed but not half as much as he introduced. Instead of a sprinkling it was wholesale. There was enough quality regardless of age to have kept winning with as stated a couple of new boys. At present Chelsea have done exactly that with their recent additions. A phased in approach with a couple more in the summer is what is needed not a wholesale clear out. If they try that one they could end up like us in both eras!
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Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
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Against everyone's better judgement, he sacked a manager not even half a season into his 1st year in charge.
AVB was removed and replaced, and now Chelsea's season has taken a significant step forward.
Semi Finals of the champions league.
And more than likely a top four finish.
But more important than that, they now have renewed hope for next season.
Mr John Henry.
Do you have the guts? You *have* looked at the table, right? Still to play (in no particular order) Arsenal (A), Liverpool (A), Fulham (A), Newcastle (H), Wigan (H), Blackburn (H), QPR (H). Not the easiest of fixture lists given that outside Fulham it's all top 4 rivals or sides desperate for results. They're also 5 points behind Spurs with only 7 games left, which means they need to score a point per game more than Spurs on average every game (and don't have the luxury of a "6 point" fixture against them in hand, having drawn both). That means that unless Chelsea win every remaining fixture, Spurs probably only need 4 wins and a draw or two to see them home (from games against Fulham, Blackburn, Aston Villa, QPR, Norwich, Sunderland, and Bolton). I think it "more than likely" that Spurs will finish 4th unless they implode in Liverpool proportions. Semi-finals of CL is good, but with EPL top 4 unlikely they have to win the thing to qualify for next season's competition. I don't want to jinx the fixture, but it seems equally unlikely that they will get past Barcelona - probable classico CL final, quite frankly. AVB being removed may not have helped the club other than to cover up the cracks a bit more. Chelsea is in need of an overhaul during the next two seasons, and Di Matteo is just playing the old guard for the most part. Whether he will do any better in the first 7 months of next season remains to be seen. After all, look what a change in manager did for Liverpool a year ago. So the question is what is it that John Henry needs the guts to do? Maybe the action that takes guts is to NOT sack Dalglish.
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