KopTalk

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 6 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 9,605
V
1st Team Squad
1st Team Squad
V Offline
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 9,605
I don't think so either!

The following are question marks regarding quality:

Adam
Henderson
Carroll

What good they have shown in the past was over such a short period of time that I'm afraid they might have been just on a temporary one-off-good-form-run!

Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,365
C
Under 23 Player
Under 23 Player
C Offline
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,365
Originally Posted By: van Gogh
Yeah, I wonder why!

Strange to see him and Bellamy on the pitch at the same time and both being played out of position!

That riddles the hell out of me! confused


i will try and explain why;

the days of old fashioned 'whip it in' wingers on both flanks have pretty much gone, we now have inverted wingers where they cut in onto their stronger foot. The advantage being that the right back will bomb on to give the width - with Johnson there it works really well and often creates an overload on the opposing fullback. The whole idea is that the wide player can shoot on his strongest foot or the fullback can cross, two options rather than one.

Againts Everton at home this worked a treat and several times Kelly was allowed loads of space to run into as the 'winger' in this case Henderson moved inside. Also to combat this teams push forward allowing more space in the centre - in theory crossing from slightly further back should allow more curle and therefore benefit on rushing players to attack the ball(Carroll etc). with the defenders having to turn they then face their own goal and risk oggies or defend blind.

our problem is that far too often we move the ball too slowly which allows players to drop and defend easily or nobody makes those runs in behind.

Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 9,605
V
1st Team Squad
1st Team Squad
V Offline
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 9,605
Thanks for that, mate! Good post!

I already know the theory behind inverted wingers. But we actually don't have a line up suited for it on the right side - at least not with Johnson there, because he couldn't cross even if his life depended on it.

It works better with Kelly on the pitch though.

With Johnson as RB we need a right footed midfielder to keep width. Johnson to come on an overlap inside instead.

You also talk about the modern game without 2 old school wingers. I agree there, but in our case we supposedly have a power house forward in Carroll. What he demands is crosses from wide deep areas. That's what he needs to be able to score I think.

Last edited by van Gogh; 05/04/12 02:26 PM.
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,381
B
Under 23 Player
Under 23 Player
B Offline
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,381
Originally Posted By: van Gogh
Originally Posted By: *** Suso ***
Originally Posted By: cjkent
to be fair he is not a right winger in a month of Sundays but we keep playing him there
what ya going on about?


Downing is not a right winger! That's the topic at the moment, mate!


Downing more than just a few times played right wing for Villa, particularly when Young was operating in a central role. He also did very well there for villa.

You are right his best position is obviously on the left, that's not up for debate, but he did perfectly well on the right for villa on many occasions (and I'm not talking about just switching flanks for a bit during a game, I'm talking playing most of the the 90 minutes there), so what should be different here?

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 6,262
1st Team Squad
1st Team Squad
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 6,262
maybe its what he is asked to do and who he plays with

I think downing is a confidence player and we he feels it can be very good

Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 9,605
V
1st Team Squad
1st Team Squad
V Offline
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 9,605
Agreed!

But as I said elsewhere we have just not had a decent fullback coming on the overlap when he has been on the right for us. Glen Johnson isn't the right (!) player for that role. He wants to cut in just as Downing wants from the right side.

With Kelly and Downing it should work though. But we need better displays on the receiving end too!

Page 6 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6

Moderated by  KopTalk Team 

Link Copied to Clipboard
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
Advertisements
Liverpool FC Discussion