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The only thing that worries me is Kenny backs him but then doesn't play him or plays him for like 2 mins as sub

That doesn't show me he wants or trusts him

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One of Kenny's axioms is to never trust a guy with a pony tail!

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Wasn't sure which one of your posts to quote, there was a lot of 'myth' ( a polite way of putting it) that you like to pretend is fact that I wanted to dispel, but I can't be bothered to tackle every point and most of them are fairly obvious so I'm sure people saw right through them anyway.

All of your posts reek of desperation to find some reason for Carroll's poor form other than that actually he's a pretty limited player. He displayed nothing at newcastle to suggest he was technically gifted enough to play the 'pass and move football' that everyone seems to agree is Kenny's primary method for Liverpool to play. You are right he seemed to show much more work rate and desire more often than not although he has demonstrated for us on occasion and has resulted in better performances though still woefully below someone we should have been even considering as our no. 9.

As I said, you have offered up reems of and reems of possible explanations for Carroll's ridiculously poor performances, trying to divert blame from his door. Which whilst could be the (or some part of the) reason behind them, still come from nothing more than hypothetical conjecture. Equally valid is the possibility, Carroll is one of the many players that are a big fish in a small pond, but can't cut it under pressure/when he isn't the main man/when he asked to do more than one type of role/he has to be smarter to fit in with more skillful and intelligent players/etc etc etc.

On an earlier post you wrote we aren't playing completely to his strengths like we supposedly did with Torres. Torres was far smarter a player than Carroll and took up better positions and made better runs for one, but more importantly Carroll is nowhere near good enough to build a team hoping to get into the top 4 around. If he wants to fit, he has to compliment, not the other other way around. He doesn't yet (possibly ever) have anywhere near the ability or brains to be so arrogantly deserving of everything put on a plate for him as he makes no movement across the first defender or into the box which he does in nearly every game.

A blatant lie is the same people criticizing the Carroll purchase are the people who bemoan our lack of buying cisse, there are just as many people who fall into one half of that category but not the other. Also it fails to take account of the fact that these individuals might see attributes in cisse that would compliment our game plan more than they saw in Carroll, and therefore would need less time to be convinced of worth. So basicly, what you wrote there was a nothing point.

Lastly, Carroll has had plenty of minutes, and enough of a run on several occasions to have 'turned it around' by now. That cannot be a pathetic excuse that gets made for him. For what it's worth I think he should start simply because we do better with 2 up front than without, but just because we paid a lot of money for him, or you think you see something in him, does not mean he should get as much game time as it takes for him to finally score more than 3 goals in a season, nor does it make it okay to swear at your manager in front of national TV, even if you don't wanna get subbed off. If Rooney did it you'd be sticking the knife in United fans about it, or any player at another club for that matter.



You shouldn't of quoted any post, because you've only cherry picked your way through bits and bobs that are relevant to you, to appear "I know more than you"

"Myth that I like to pretend is fact?"

What are you on?

It's just my opinion, like you have yours.

IT IS fact however, that Carroll has showed better than this. Has he not? That is my main argument with people who blindly say he has never "done it"

Yes, it must all be myth wink

1. I was giving reasons as to why I think Carroll isn't performing to the ability we've seen at Newcastle and in a couple of games for us. PERSONALLY (It is MY opinion, just like you have yours wink ) I think, it is more down to management on this occasion. If I believed it was all down to the player, I'd say so! But I don't, so what do you want me to say? Of course, looking for viable explanations is "desperate" as you put it. I'm sure no player in the history of football has ever dropped in form because of the reasons I gave. For instance, look at Torres at Chelsea under Villas Boas, now look at him now, with more "freedom" and "faith".

2. I don't think I compared Torres and Carroll like for like either, so i don't know where you created that from. I was pointing at a game, against us where Carroll showed the sort of form, that we bought him in the first place for. It just so happened Torres played for us that day and lacked effort and fight. Which was totally the opposite to his opposite number on the day.

3. I've spoke to many people who bemoan "Commolli failing in not signing someone like Cisse" "Carroll was over-priced! Look what Cisse has done for Newcastle for £10mill" How is that a lie? If I have seen and heard people say this? The same people who will say "Carroll was unproven in the league, after a good half-a-season....we should never had signed him!" are the same people who would take Cisse instead of Carroll for £10mill. It just so happens, Papa Cisse hadn't played a game of Premier League football before signing for Newcastle, and has really only played half a season himself.

So which is it?

Good effort anyway, I await to see you cherry pick more posts in the future. whistle


I'll start with I said I couldn't be bothered to go through everything because you do write a lot of garbage and I havn't got the time nor inclination to do it. I do find it funny when you add a little wink face, makes you seem like a 14 year old who seems to have so little to say he resorts to childish wind up tactics, which actually fits in perfectly with the lack of substance in your posts ( wink this winks just for you buddy *that is a little bit of sarcasm for you if you didn't work it out*).

Did I say it was all myth? No, I said there was a lot. And there is. You suggesting everything I said all of what you post is myth, is in fact you making up myth and pretending it's fact again. Yet more proof you love to do it.

You put down other people for giving reasons that don't fit in with yours "have you ever thought about that!" is a little favourite of yours after spouting some conjecture trying to make it seem like you know the real reason for Carroll's woes.

You compared Torres and Carroll, therefore so did I. End of. Ridiculous point you made there.

Some people have said that yes, but it is not the same people, it is SOME people who do it. There are many more that fall into one category but not the other, don't know how you didn't get your little head round that the first time...

There you go think I responded to everything this time so you can't use your ridiculous little cherry picking comment because you don't actually have any real substantiated come back.


CRUSHHHHHHHHED him. I've noticed this guy putting others down and criticizing their opinions then giving his own without any fact what so ever. No problem with different opinions, but he definitely goes around with a I know best attitude. Nice to see who got called up on it smile No doubt he will come back with winky faces and drivel again but don't worry you're not alone in seeing right through him smile

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Originally Posted By: bigredkop
I'll start with I said I couldn't be bothered to go through everything because you do write a lot of garbage and I havn't got the time nor inclination to do it.


Well your not qualified to reply then are you?

I've read through your posts and replied accordingly, thinking back now, it is probably stupid for me to have done so. You only exist to stir pots.

I gave MY opinion on what I think about Kenny's handling of Dalglish. You don't agree with it! SO F*CKING WHAT!

If you believe that it's all down to Carroll and he ain't nothing on Torres, then absolutely FINE with me!

I'm not going crazy about your opinion am I? Whereas you are with mine and have twisted my opinion (and no doubt will continue) in order to wind up another KopTalk spat.

If a lot of it is garbage, don't read my posts and don't reply.

Problem solved!

(and just because it pisses you off that much, wink wink wink suck on these winks! wink wink wink )

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Originally Posted By: craney91
Originally Posted By: bigredkop
I'll start with I said I couldn't be bothered to go through everything because you do write a lot of garbage and I havn't got the time nor inclination to do it.


Well your not qualified to reply then are you?

I've read through your posts and replied accordingly, thinking back now, it is probably stupid for me to have done so. You only exist to stir pots.

I gave MY opinion on what I think about Kenny's handling of Dalglish. You don't agree with it! SO F*CKING WHAT!

If you believe that it's all down to Carroll and he ain't nothing on Torres, then absolutely FINE with me!

I'm not going crazy about your opinion am I? Whereas you are with mine and have twisted my opinion (and no doubt will continue) in order to wind up another KopTalk spat.

If a lot of it is garbage, don't read my posts and don't reply.

Problem solved!

(and just because it pisses you off that much, wink wink wink suck on these winks! wink wink wink )


Go through as in reply to each individual point, not read them all, and being on the forum I am fully qualified to post back completely like you said I have my opinion and you have yours so what, contradicted yourself again there buddy, shame.

The winks don't p!ss me off, I told you that they make you look like a child who has nothing real to say, and you responded sounding even more childish thus proving my point which I found hilarious. You say I am trying to start a koptalk argument and then say "suck on these", once again hilarious as you have contradicted yourself in the SAME post. You couldn't even keep a train of thought for a short post, did make me laugh at you. Love it when you dig your own grave.

And looks like another poster agrees with me about what you do, looks like your bang to rights yet again. I do love showing up hypocrites, and its job done with you now.

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We're on the same side lads!


eh, you do realise this is koptalk dont you.?


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andy didnt get a fair chance. i thought he had been strugglingf for confidenced but never got his chance.evemn in the games he scored in he was a sub the next.what does that do for your confidence.he has been mistreated and andy's outburst at the weekend while being subbed was totally called for and his frustration boiled over.i dont think he is a 20 goals a season player but he is not far off it.no faith in andy then he cant repay

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Originally Posted By: aaron mv evoy
andy didnt get a fair chance. i thought he had been strugglingf for confidenced but never got his chance.evemn in the games he scored in he was a sub the next.what does that do for your confidence.he has been mistreated and andy's outburst at the weekend while being subbed was totally called for and his frustration boiled over.i dont think he is a 20 goals a season player but he is not far off it.no faith in andy then he cant repay


That's a possible explanation. But no more likely than he can't cut it at this level, can't play pass and move. And as for the games he scored, he still didn't play particularly well in them. He got a couple of runs of games but didn't improve sufficiently to look like he deserved anything more.

As for the outburst, just my opinion but there is nothing that makes that called for. It was disgraceful and makes the club look like a laughing stock. No excuse for it.

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