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Originally Posted By: taveman
we should not have knee jerk reaction to this season our all round play is better . just look at the facts we have been without key players almost if not every game this season just lets put this season to bed and get set for a better tilt next . we dont need to assasinate our great club the media are trying to do that for us just loook at the terry and suarez cases suarez banned terry still playing and thats just one off the top of my head . in my opinion it started first game of the season when richardson should have been sent off and its just gone on from then


So let's give up after game 1 then?

SOME key players have missed games, but the fact is, this latest bad run has included those key players. They haven't been "out"....apart from Agger.

I don't think it is as simple as that mate, you can't just rite of a season, that's unnaceptable. Yes, look forward to the next, but some of the "performances" this season should NEVER EVER be forgotten.

I don't mind if we loose, I don't mind if we draw, as long as our players can be bothered AND CAN TRY. To many times this season, they have looked like they just don't care.....why should I forget that?

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Oh and after looking at Carroll's "dive"....I don't actually think he did, he stupidly fell over. No excuse though, he should have scored. But I don't think he dived, he didn't really claim a pen either.

He is quite right to mouth of to Dalglish to, I share his feelings, it's a f*cking joke!

If I was Carroll, I would have made these feelings clear ages ago. Don't get me wrong, he isn't performing to his best, but Dalglish is doing a damned good job trying too destroy the player and the man totally.

This is one of the biggest problems, out of all the problems, for me.

He is shitting on Carroll.....but he loves "Little Luis"

Makes me sick.

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Think that maybe quite possibly Carroll's heart was still on Tyneside up until yesterday. Think that he still had a slight hope that he would be able to go back to his old club this summer and everything would be like the good old times. Think of his disappointment now that Newcastle has derailed him and wouldn't want him even if LFC paid Newcastle to take him back. I'm hoping now that he knows his old fling ripped him a new one he will finally start to show some balls for LFC. I know its not the right reason to finally start playing properly and he should have been dedicated from day one, but hey there are people who need a chip on their shoulder to show what they're worth.

I hope I'm right. It's like trying to win the lottery here.

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Originally Posted By: taveman
we should not have knee jerk reaction to this season our all round play is better . just look at the facts we have been without key players almost if not every game this season just lets put this season to bed and get set for a better tilt next . we dont need to assasinate our great club the media are trying to do that for us just loook at the terry and suarez cases suarez banned terry still playing and thats just one off the top of my head . in my opinion it started first game of the season when richardson should have been sent off and its just gone on from then


Not a great comparison. Terry's case is being heard by a district judge following a police investigation on the back of a public complaint. Nothing to do with the media, FA or even the illuminati.

To sum up your other points though, you blame a sending off offence in the first game of the season, the media, injuries/suspensions etc etc for our poor season do you? Do you not think that all teams go for periods with out a key player or 2, or feel hard done by because of a ref's decisions?
At some point you have to draw a line and say "no more excuses, we're just rubbish" - that time has long gone, along with kenny's reputation as a manager.

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Originally Posted By: craney91
Oh and after looking at Carroll's "dive"....I don't actually think he did, he stupidly fell over. No excuse though, he should have scored. But I don't think he dived, he didn't really claim a pen either.

He is quite right to mouth of to Dalglish to, I share his feelings, it's a f*cking joke!

If I was Carroll, I would have made these feelings clear ages ago. Don't get me wrong, he isn't performing to his best, but Dalglish is doing a damned good job trying too destroy the player and the man totally.

This is one of the biggest problems, out of all the problems, for me.

He is shitting on Carroll.....but he loves "Little Luis"

Makes me sick.


Why would he do that though? If anything, you'd expect it to be the other way round.

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Oh and after looking at Carroll's "dive"....I don't actually think he did, he stupidly fell over. No excuse though, he should have scored. But I don't think he dived, he didn't really claim a pen either.

He is quite right to mouth of to Dalglish to, I share his feelings, it's a f*cking joke!

If I was Carroll, I would have made these feelings clear ages ago. Don't get me wrong, he isn't performing to his best, but Dalglish is doing a damned good job trying too destroy the player and the man totally.

This is one of the biggest problems, out of all the problems, for me.

He is shitting on Carroll.....but he loves "Little Luis"

Makes me sick.


Why would he do that though? If anything, you'd expect it to be the other way round.


Favoritism and ego, let's be honest Kenny thinks Suarez is gods only gift to the world. It's almost like Kenny believes Suarez is a Kenny mark 2. "Blue eyed Louise" cant do no wrong in Kenny's eyes, bless.

It's obvious Suarez has more ability than most of the players we have, but Kenny should be treating them all the same and giving them a fair crack of the whip. Suarez and Gerrard haven't exactly showed much in the last couple of games, have they? Yet we must put all of our hope, in the HOPE (that's all it is) of one of them doing something in a game, they are playing average in?

Carroll was "probably" our best player along with Shelvey against Newcastle, the better performing players should be kept on the pitch if possible. They obviously were, however both of them were pulled of and probably won't feature at all in the next game, knowing Kenny.

It drives me up the wall, just look at Sterling, nowhere near the team!.....anyone would think he majorly disappointed in those few minutes he got against Wigan.

Kenny has threw all of his eggs into one specific basket, a gamble, and if he aint careful, it could all blow up in his face....stood there powerless, with his arms crossed, coat zip in mouth.

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Originally Posted By: craney91
Oh and after looking at Carroll's "dive"....I don't actually think he did, he stupidly fell over. No excuse though, he should have scored. But I don't think he dived, he didn't really claim a pen either.

He is quite right to mouth of to Dalglish to, I share his feelings, it's a f*cking joke!

If I was Carroll, I would have made these feelings clear ages ago. Don't get me wrong, he isn't performing to his best, but Dalglish is doing a damned good job trying too destroy the player and the man totally.

This is one of the biggest problems, out of all the problems, for me.

He is shitting on Carroll.....but he loves "Little Luis"

Makes me sick.


You've abruptly changed your tune on dalglish wink

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Oh and after looking at Carroll's "dive"....I don't actually think he did, he stupidly fell over. No excuse though, he should have scored. But I don't think he dived, he didn't really claim a pen either.

He is quite right to mouth of to Dalglish to, I share his feelings, it's a f*cking joke!

If I was Carroll, I would have made these feelings clear ages ago. Don't get me wrong, he isn't performing to his best, but Dalglish is doing a damned good job trying too destroy the player and the man totally.

This is one of the biggest problems, out of all the problems, for me.

He is shitting on Carroll.....but he loves "Little Luis"

Makes me sick.


You've abruptly changed your tune on dalglish wink


Really? crazy

Somehow I don't think so. wink Good effort though!

I've always maintained Dalglish's treatment of Andy Carroll is abysmal! Sooner or later, Carroll was going to speak up, Dalglish is doing a mighty fine job of wrecking the player he paid £35million for.

I still stand by Dalglish and support him, but I've always said, that I think Kenny has to change in some areas, or it just won't work!

It doesn't look like a 60 year old man is going to change now, so it isn't going to work out is it?

The key to success now is to revolutionize and change every year, change with the times, change with the football, freshen things up, take the risks.....Kenny is still the same as 20 odd years ago, thing is, 20 odd years ago, you could get away with it and still be successful. But not now!

You have to constantly change your way of management, to "keep up"

Kenny isn't doing that. That's just not Kenny.

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Oh and after looking at Carroll's "dive"....I don't actually think he did, he stupidly fell over. No excuse though, he should have scored. But I don't think he dived, he didn't really claim a pen either.

He is quite right to mouth of to Dalglish to, I share his feelings, it's a f*cking joke!

If I was Carroll, I would have made these feelings clear ages ago. Don't get me wrong, he isn't performing to his best, but Dalglish is doing a damned good job trying too destroy the player and the man totally.

This is one of the biggest problems, out of all the problems, for me.

He is shitting on Carroll.....but he loves "Little Luis"

Makes me sick.


You've abruptly changed your tune on dalglish wink


Really? crazy

Somehow I don't think so. wink Good effort though!

I've always maintained Dalglish's treatment of Andy Carroll is abysmal! Sooner or later, Carroll was going to speak up, Dalglish is doing a mighty fine job of wrecking the player he paid £35million for.

I still stand by Dalglish and support him, but I've always said, that I think Kenny has to change in some areas, or it just won't work!

It doesn't look like a 60 year old man is going to change now, so it isn't going to work out is it?

The key to success now is to revolutionize and change every year, change with the times, change with the football, freshen things up, take the risks.....Kenny is still the same as 20 odd years ago, thing is, 20 odd years ago, you could get away with it and still be successful. But not now!

You have to constantly change your way of management, to "keep up"

Kenny isn't doing that. That's just not Kenny.


Yeah you have. Dress it up how you want, but you can't stand by someone and say he's the wrong man for the job in the same post. They are opposites. Nice try though.

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Carroll has done his own "wrecking" has he not? I mean the lad strays positionally, gets behind the play, does not attack the six yard box, and often gives the ball away when trying to hold it up.

I agree that we're not playing to his strengths... and not providing the right ball for him half the time... but he's not helping himself either.


SPOT. ON. Kp. He has had plenty of balls that he could of got on the end of, but he has been on his heels in the wrong place at the wrong time, not trying to get in front of his defender. We shouldn't have to play to a strikers strengths every minute of every game to see more than a 3 goal return. Carroll isn't good enough to deserve a Liverpool side built around him, he should compliment others as part of a team.

Don't get me wrong, blame does go to dalglish for buying a player who clearly doesn't fit, and has never fit, into the style of football he is trying to cultivate at Liverpool. In that sense he was doomed from day 1. But Carroll has certainly done a fine job of making things 70% worse.

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