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Re: What is Kenny actually doing? #206860 01/04/12 09:13 PM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,215 mightyreds Under 23 Player
mightyreds Under 23 Player Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,215	Originally Posted By: craney91 So can we finally agree it IS THE PLAYERS THEN!?! If Kenny is sharing the same frustration as we are, it's got to be the players! They are insulting the shirt! No player should be void of criticism, Gerrard and Suarez were every bit as poor as everybody else today and have been for a few weeks! Carroll must feel like he is being destroyed, you could see it when he walked down the tunnel! Imagine what it must feel like to be booed by the fans of the club you love! The club he stayed with and massively helped, when they were relegated to the Championship. He didn't want to leave, Ashley wanted the money....and now he is the "boo boys" favorite son! I felt sorry for Andy today, even with the dive (and I agree he should've just shot, he would have scored!) The scenes today were akin to a Barca vs Madrid game. I expect us to be charged with "failure to control our players" amongst other things. A sad day, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, supporters are fighting with one another about the situation. Sorry but no way am I having that. Blame it on your players when there are no tactics in place at all? It's like blaming the soldiers when the general hasn't got a clue about war games. We have decent players. If the manager can't get the best out of them by playing them correctly with correct tactics, then it's not the players' fault. Yes, they're frustrated but I suspect more at the cluelessness of the team rather than at themselves.

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? mightyreds #206906 01/04/12 10:17 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 620 Cornwall, UK YNWA1892 Under 18 Player
YNWA1892 Under 18 Player Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 620 Cornwall, UK	It's both the players and Kenny to blame. Both are [oops] right now. Agree Carroll shouldn't have been subbed, in hindsight Kenny must realise that. Last edited by YNWA1892; 01/04/12 10:17 PM.

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? #206914 01/04/12 10:23 PM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,215 mightyreds Under 23 Player
mightyreds Under 23 Player Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,215	If anything I'll be embarrassed as barcodes fan. Here you have a hometown lad who gave lots of goals to your team and was sold for 35m against his will. When he returns, he gets abused? FFS I'm glad I'm not one of those [oops].

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? #206948 01/04/12 11:12 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,930 the pasty capital. kernowred Under 23 Player
kernowred Under 23 Player Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,930 the pasty capital.	our team/club is a shambles.

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? #206971 01/04/12 11:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,542 R RedJohn Under 23 Player
RedJohn Under 23 Player R Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,542	I'd also like to see Carrol's anger on the pitch, in the words of a manager who's name I forget 'His strength is his strength, and that's his strength - his strength.' You have to blame both of course. Players giving little effort should not play for the club, but it's the managers job to get them fired up, this is all before tactics come into play. I can see the frustration on both sides. Even our captain looks like a man who's finally realised he'll never win the premiership. Though as KP says, things can change very quickly. I just hope our next manager is someone who destroys players for not giving 100%. I know they're human, but all this 'he needs more confidence' is so frustrating. Carrol could still make it here.

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? #206972 01/04/12 11:42 PM
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aldo Unregistered A	Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet Originally Posted By: kernowred our team/club is a shambles. Things change quickly in football... just wait and see! is that change KD.

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? #206987 02/04/12 12:14 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,365 C cp1972 Under 23 Player
cp1972 Under 23 Player C Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,365	Originally Posted By: Rafarendum Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet Originally Posted By: craney91 Not even talking with the players at all? Carroll stormed of, Pepe stormed of. Kenny came onto the pitch after the Pepe red and Gerrard was telling him to go away. Steve Clarke looks like the only one getting the players set and ready, Kenny is just stood there watching what is happening as its going on. Substitutes look as if they are being made by the assistant. Kenny has no eye contact with the players, nothing. Really upsetting this. Kenny is clearly frustrated... and you have to allow him the right to be somewhat. Many posters on this board were calling for Bellamy and Shelvey... for Carroll up top... and for Hendo and Downing to be dropped. Kenny did all that and we still lost. Regarding Carroll. He was embarrassed at his former club... and so he should be after diving when he had an open net. His opposite #9 showed him up and I'm glad he was angry at going off. He should show a bit more of that on the pitch and stop going down so easily. Regarding Reina... he's frustrated at what's going on in front of him.. and at his own poor play this season. It was a yellow card at best and by that point the ref was rubbing it in. SG was telling Kenny to get off the pitch because he could have got sent off for being there. The players need to take some of the responsibility for these losses... Kenny has changed the team up and none of them are performing up to par. You can't blame people for being frustrated.... Downing is our best left winger. He's hardly played there all season. He's got to be better than Suarez as a left winger. We had next to nothing down the left today, all down the right. From Bellamy. Because he's our best right winger, yet he's most often been played down the left. Shelvey was one of our better midfielders (not saying much). But if you go out there with a 4-5-1, which hasn't worked all season, and take one of your better players (Suarez) and play him out of position), and play Carroll up front alone (which hasn't worked all season), then you can't be surprised with zero goals again, can you? Kenny has no right to be frustrated. The problem is not just about who is played but HOW we are playing. Wigan, QPR, Newcastle...none of them have a better team than us. All of them destroyed us. did they really detroy us? i don't think so - get real and not so dramatic. less than 12 chances between them in 3 games yet we spurned in excess of 40 - yes 40! go and check the stats. Poor refereing and a total lack of confidence killed us today. Players getting frustrated will also not help. We need to stick together and win the FA Cup - fans, Players, Club needs this ore than ever, sacking anyone is ridiculous and a response I would expect from A hormonal Teenager not from mature adults. Arsenal fan said to me they expereinced this earlier in the season and the morons are now back in their box. Hope ours do the same.

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? #207081 02/04/12 09:30 AM
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 388 L Lfc-chris Under 16 Player
Lfc-chris Under 16 Player L Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 388	Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet Originally Posted By: YNWA1892 It's both the players and Kenny to blame. Both are [oops] right now. Agree Carroll shouldn't have been subbed, in hindsight Kenny must realise that. Why on earth not? Carroll and Suarez weren't clicking at all. It's normal to switch out strikers... and Kuyt works better with Suarez than with Carroll. Carroll started the game well but after his stupid dive act he became a figure of derision at his old club... shown up further by Cisse, a better #9. Kenny has made lots of mistakes but substituting Carroll is not one of them. He was embarrassed at his home town club... and I'd like to see that tunnel anger on the pitch a bit more. i totally agree with you man. just because hes there and it was his prior team he should stay on thats complete nonesense. if he scored and came off it wouldnt be a problem. so if hes not playing good you dont takee him off, wheres the logics behind that. your going to look on suarez and carrol and take off suarez who is more a threat on goal

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? Lfc-chris #207171 02/04/12 06:55 PM
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craney91 Unregistered C	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkD_ycFBMRU&feature=g-logo&context=G2b99425FOAAAAAAADAA Gerrard did tell Kenny to go away, he was only going onto the pitch to tell whoever it was he wanted in goal. Gerrard (with a face on) shooed him of, it seemed like the captain and Steve Clarke were getting things moving all game, Kenny looked lost, arms crossed. It reminded me of Hodgson, it has to be said. Hodgson's spiral began at an away game loss to Newcastle and was sacked not long after. Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself, but if it carries on like this.....I fail to see any other result.

Re: What is Kenny actually doing? #207183 02/04/12 07:54 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 334 T taveman Under 16 Player
taveman Under 16 Player T Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 334	we should not have knee jerk reaction to this season our all round play is better . just look at the facts we have been without key players almost if not every game this season just lets put this season to bed and get set for a better tilt next . we dont need to assasinate our great club the media are trying to do that for us just loook at the terry and suarez cases suarez banned terry still playing and thats just one off the top of my head . in my opinion it started first game of the season when richardson should have been sent off and its just gone on from then

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