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Some people are so annoyed that they backed kenny and he let them down that they are taking it out on the 1 person who has done well for us and would probably surpass his previous achievements the 2nd time around. It doesn't matter if Rafa makes kenny look bad - we should ALL be thinking about what/who is the most likely to bring success back to the club as that is more important than the feelings of any individual.
We need to use fan power again to bring back Rafa. It helped us to get rid of H&G, it helped us to get rid of Hodgson and it helped us to get kenny back for 1 last swansong. Let's use it again to bring back Rafael Benitez, not because of any sentimental reason, but because he proved what an exceptional manager he is under difficult circumstances and with limited funding. With FSG's support and resources the sky could be the limit for us again! I don't think we should use fan power to bring Rafa back. I love Rafa and think the world of him, but that doesn't mean I would start a campaign to bring him back. We did that with Kenny and it hasn't worked out. We did it to a point the owners had to appoint him. I would rather let the owners make a smart decision instead of pressuring them to do something we feel is right. If we didn't pressure them in the first place with Kenny, maybe we would have AVB in the hotseat. Too many "if's" and "but's" for me to get behind a "Bring Rafa Back!" campaign.
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Some people are so annoyed that they backed kenny and he let them down that they are taking it out on the 1 person who has done well for us and would probably surpass his previous achievements the 2nd time around. It doesn't matter if Rafa makes kenny look bad - we should ALL be thinking about what/who is the most likely to bring success back to the club as that is more important than the feelings of any individual.
We need to use fan power again to bring back Rafa. It helped us to get rid of H&G, it helped us to get rid of Hodgson and it helped us to get kenny back for 1 last swansong. Let's use it again to bring back Rafael Benitez, not because of any sentimental reason, but because he proved what an exceptional manager he is under difficult circumstances and with limited funding. With FSG's support and resources the sky could be the limit for us again! I don't think we should use fan power to bring Rafa back. I love Rafa and think the world of him, but that doesn't mean I would start a campaign to bring him back. We did that with Kenny and it hasn't worked out. We did it to a point the owners had to appoint him. I would rather let the owners make a smart decision instead of pressuring them to do something we feel is right. If we didn't pressure them in the first place with Kenny, maybe we would have AVB in the hotseat. Too many "if's" and "but's" for me to get behind a "Bring Rafa Back!" campaign. Kenny hasn't failed 'because' fan pressure bought him back - he failed because he isn't a very good manager anymore. Do you have enough faith in FSG's knowledge of european football management that they are able to find the right man? I'm not so sure and think that they need a little help. The fans were wrong about kenny but he had been out of the game for a long time and we were desperate to have anyone but Roy at the time. Before kenny came back look what he achieved in his last 3 jobs at blackburn, newcastle and celtic - 1 league (which was virtually 'bought').... Compare it to what Rafa achieved in his last 3 jobs at Valencia, Liverpool & Inter: 2 top flight leagues, 3 european trophies and 4 other cups. And all of Rafa's successes were much more recent than Kenny's. In support of Mr Beintez, you could also throw in the FACT that he is the only manager in history to have won the UEFA manager of the year award in consecutive years with different clubs. I rest my case.
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Some people are so annoyed that they backed kenny and he let them down that they are taking it out on the 1 person who has done well for us and would probably surpass his previous achievements the 2nd time around. It doesn't matter if Rafa makes kenny look bad - we should ALL be thinking about what/who is the most likely to bring success back to the club as that is more important than the feelings of any individual.
We need to use fan power again to bring back Rafa. It helped us to get rid of H&G, it helped us to get rid of Hodgson and it helped us to get kenny back for 1 last swansong. Let's use it again to bring back Rafael Benitez, not because of any sentimental reason, but because he proved what an exceptional manager he is under difficult circumstances and with limited funding. With FSG's support and resources the sky could be the limit for us again! I don't think we should use fan power to bring Rafa back. I love Rafa and think the world of him, but that doesn't mean I would start a campaign to bring him back. We did that with Kenny and it hasn't worked out. We did it to a point the owners had to appoint him. I would rather let the owners make a smart decision instead of pressuring them to do something we feel is right. If we didn't pressure them in the first place with Kenny, maybe we would have AVB in the hotseat. Too many "if's" and "but's" for me to get behind a "Bring Rafa Back!" campaign. Kenny hasn't failed 'because' fan pressure bought him back - he failed because he isn't a very good manager anymore. Do you have enough faith in FSG's knowledge of european football management that they are able to find the right man? I'm not so sure and think that they need a little help. The fans were wrong about kenny but he had been out of the game for a long time and we were desperate to have anyone but Roy at the time. Before kenny came back look what he achieved in his last 3 jobs at blackburn, newcastle and celtic - 1 league (which was virtually 'bought').... Compare it to what Rafa achieved in his last 3 jobs at Valencia, Liverpool & Inter: 2 top flight leagues, 3 european trophies and 4 other cups. And all of Rafa's successes were much more recent than Kenny's. In support of Mr Beintez, you could also throw in the FACT that he is the only manager in history to have won the UEFA manager of the year award in consecutive years with different clubs. I rest my case. I'm not saying Kenny is 'failing' because of fan pressure. We're the ones (most of us) who wanted him back so what I am saying is maybe we don't know what's best for the club and we should stop acting like we have this power to change things the way we see fit. Maybe Rafa would be amazing if he came back and maybe not. Whoever is selected next I want to be because FSG think he's right for the job and not because fans pressured them into a corner. Like I said, I respect the hell out of Rafa and if he is the one FSG think is right then he'll have my full backing. I live in the U.S. and I've seen what FSG have done with the teams they own over here. They are not as naive as people think and I trust them to make the right decisions in the future. And I want those decisions to be based on what they believe is right and not what they are pressured into.
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not only that but if rafa spent 220 over his time incharge 170 were from sales 13 mil a year on transfer for over 5-6 years. still achieved something great everyone said that he got the previous manager team that won champion league yes thats true but that didnt assure us success, perfect example avb at chelsea, and even the squad rafa left was a decent squad but nothing great came out of it. he is a good manager and even if he doesnt get us the success we want right now he will be doing better than the current one
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the person thats full of promise, could you give me some indications to who this is because oniel avb or even dechamp wouldnt have any high expectation of them to achieve success, the type of success lfc and the fans are looking for at this time, you keep highlighting the negatives of rafa but what about the positive . I believe a new face with new idea is needed at LFC we cant be always going back but the current position we are in that type of manager woudnt make sense. as for rafa not being in top tier he had 2 bad season how many bad seasons did fergie or wenger have, rafa bad season with liverpool should of allowed him a chance because the season before he was in the title race, as for inter another coach came in and did worst than rafa and was given more time. i dont know why your faith in him is so low but i just hope that he comes back in so he can prove your theory right or prove mines right. i honestly believe rafa would get us that 4th spot if not even more
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I understand people's desire for a fresh start and respect opinions on not bringing Rafa back. I'd have him back but there's reasons against too.
However, to say 'no ex failed managers please' or that he didn't do what Kenny was brought in to do, is a bit over the top. We wouldn't be having this conversation if we were 3rd or 4th, or 5th and still fighting hard. But the team seems limp and have failed miserably. Compare the first seasons, Champs League and 5th vs Carling Cup and 7th.
I'm not banging on about Rafa coming back, but there's some strange anger toward him for some reason, despite his love for Lfc. Maybe because of the grief Kenny's had on here, and Roy before him, but let's at least respect Rafa the manager and the man.
He worked Miracles at Valencia, had a reasnoably successful time here but was destined to fail at Inter, a team who are currently 7th and 50% off the lead and just sacked their manager, didn't seem like many could've done better (apart from you know who).
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I don't think anyone is angry towards Rafa - or disrespects him at all. Rafa is firmly a part of our history - but he should stay there.
Quite simply, Rafa failed to return the premiership crown to Liverpool. He had a long stint - didn't do it - and left looking no closer to doing it. Also, people remember some of his truly awful transfers, his poor man-mangers, his growing stubbornness and petulance, and some increasingly bad decision-making. As far as being a tactical genius, he was patchy at best. Some games he looked the best... others he looked like an amateur novice.
He's just not the way forward in my opinion. Agreed we should not go back but forward, but Rafa is by far in every way a better overall manager than kenny. do you agree?
I will listen, only if your answer contains wisdom
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I thought hed go to Atletico, and understand he was offered the job in the summer but didn't fancy the chaos off the field, although it would have been a cakewalk after THicks and Gullett!
Rafas decline coincided with his splitting with Paco, his man management was always his weakness, the similarities with Clough and Taylor are striking.
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Rafa, kd r clones of each.other
Both have a lot.in common, good n bad points
Ie kd style of football is better,
Rafa eye for a player is better.
But for some reason, if they both could work together, for the greater of the club, they could be a great team
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benitez is a megalomaniac and a control freak thats one of the big reasons he failed at liverpool and inter and a massive reason no club will give him a job !!!
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