KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum The decision to bin Aquilani made me question new set-up

much like yourself SP I will end the dalglish rants, I do want him out at the end of the season, for the reasons you and I and now dunk have proposed.

He must only stay if no other manager is available, but at this point I can think of a few I would ratehr see given the anfield hotseat.

Thats a pretty honest post stan,I wouldn't call for Kenny to go this soon,neither would I be naive to think it couldn't happen this summer,I think AVB would please the majority of fans,I think it would soothe any anger over a possible dismissal of Kenny.

On Dunks point about Aquilani,he was a decent player with the ball,technically good with some flash touches.He was not quite right for the premier league though in my opinion,he suffers from the same thing as Raul Mereiles,both are great players to have in your attack if you are controlling a game.The problem I believe is that they are weary of putting there foot in when the chips are down,not that any of our current crop are pulling up any trees at the moment.

It saddens me a great deal to see the owner of this forum in what some may say abusing their position.

Dunk, whether you are aware of this or not you inherently hold a substantial amount of influence and command a great deal of respect on here. For you to use his position to influence the forum in an attempt to inadvertedly genereate more pressure for Kenny Dalglish is deploreable and unacceptable.

I refuse to give this topic any respect by responding to the exraordinary number of points and if this results in a ban for me it only further then so be it.

I refuse to be influenced and have my support swayed.

Disapointing post Dunk, very disapointing.

I respect your opinion. But I don't agree with it Liverpool have the worst league form since 1953 (60 years ago) and by this weekend could be ninth after spending £113m. By any stretch of the immagination thats worth discussing and if by doing so its disrespectful of Dalglish then where does that leave us? No one can ever say anything negative about the man and we have to accept our fate whatever it is?

In reference to Dunk's topic, his questioning of the set up is supposedly about the Aquilani deal but then delves into a number of aspects in an attempt to undermine our manager.

Who is he I ask you, who is Dunk to question our owners?

Let them decide his fate, after all they pay his wages and employ the man.

I am not saying this season is a fantastic season it is starting to look quite bad if we do not turn our fortunes around sharpish but why potentially ruin an FA Cup by engineering more pressure for our manager which will no doubt filter on to the terraces and put our players under more pressure when playing.

Wrong Kop4life WE pay his wages. The club has revenue around £200m ever pondered where that comes from?

I see you do read the forums then?

Some of it, I've got to disagree with, especially the "Woy" comments. Some people do wrongly mock the man and use the term, others, like me, respect the man, he is a nice man and I'm not taking that away from him.

I call him "Woy", does that mean I'm wrong to say so?

It's a bit of fun.

Almost like when people "make fun" of Jonothan Ross, they might hugely respect the man and think he is the funniest man alive, but they'll still call him "Wossy"....it's a pointless statement to make as it doesn't really mean anything, IF you respect the man....if you don't respect, then it goes into another realm entirely....like the racism debate.

The fact is, we called for Kenny when Benitez went.....and we didn't get it, for whatever reason. I'd say that ANY manager that come in at that specific time and wasn't immediately successful....was gonna face the chop....and the chop would come quicker and in a bigger way.

That's why I can't respect these fellow "supporters" who will want the manager out at every single opportunity, regardless. It's just not like that, and these people just shouldn't be listened to UNLESS they can provide a suitable reason as to why they want the manager out. Instead of the usual "DALGLISH OUT!" every time we loose a game or under-perform.

The players Dalglish and Comolli have signed, have let us down, they are better than what they are showing us.....or else we wouldn't have brought over them in the first place, regardless of money spent. But I agree, with the amount of money spent, the return should have been customary and fairly instant.

Aquilani is just a massive fail and if he goes for £5million it is a massive f*ck up, but it looks like the terms were already fixed....or else Milan wouldn't have had him on loan in the first place.

The calls for Rafa back, will end up being the same calls for Kenny back...when Rafa left.

I think you underestimate people who "blindly" have a go at Rafa, totally. It turned stale, player power, owners whatever. We appreciate it musnt have been the easiest circumstances and we exceeded our wildest expectations at times. We also massively appreciate what he did for the club (and still does) it NEVER gets forgotten. (The tears at Hillsborough I shared with him, and were real)

I respect the man for that (I don't count myself as someone who "hates" Rafa) but towards the end, it was time for a change. Let's not forget, Rafa's no angel in all of this either, that really winds me up. He likes to blow his own trumpet, make no mistake about it.

If he come back, at first I think we would have the same feelings and vibes we had when Dalglish returned for a second time. But once it starts to calm down and become "real" it will be the same all over again.

Call Rafa a genius all you want, if he comes back and we don't move forward enough, it will be the same all over again....and very similar to what we are seeing now.

Because people respect Kenny...but want a change. It will be people respect Rafa...but want a change. Again.

If we appoint a new manager when Kenny decides its time (I myself would welcome him to go back to the Academy) it 100% has to be the right one for now, and for the long term to. We don't want the same again, we've had it 3-4 times already.

But then again, if it's an outsider and not Rafa, it could end up being Hodgson-esk again, where it was destined to fail the moment the appointment was made.

It needs someone to be strong, never give in, take the risks, stand up against this minority of Liverpool "supporter", stand up against the witch-hunt media, strong tactically, wise, clever, quick minded and someone who can relate and speak with the players like a father figure of sorts.

It has to be the ultimate package.

Either we mold Villas-Boas into that (and risk further transition time and doubt over his head like Hodgson).....or it's Jose Mourinho. It may appear impossible to get the man, but FSG will have to make it possible IF they are serious and IF they want to win with the sort of regularity as seen in the 70's and 80's.

The answer is not Rafa.....as much as you might want it to be. (we wanted Kenny for virtually the same reasons, remember?)






Oh and heggy, your going to change your harsh ways and thoughts about Dalglish, because of what Dunc has typed in this article?

Think for yourself pal, if you feel that way, feel that way, don't let someone else change you because of how they feel....people might not agree with your opinions on Dalglish, but you will come across as not being very strong. If your opinion can be changed with a click of somebody else's fingers.

I never realised we agreed on so much, dunk! Great article.....Not all of it, but the majority, and certainly enough for me to allow you to buy me a pint should we ever cross paths.

problem dunk is benitez, hodgson and dalglish didnt play him and juve didnt want him so ask yourself why ?

To be fair whether Dunk is the Editor of this site or not he is still entitled to his opinion.

As I have said previously if it was anybody other than Kenny with the worst record in the Premier League since christmas, relegation form and the worst league form in 60 years AFTER spending over £100 million pounds would you still be backing them I bloody doubt it!