KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum KD in or out? either way it's bad timing

no matter what your opinion on the current managers record lets take into account a few points.

would sacking KD benefit us in anyway at this moment in time?

with 4th place completely out of reach and a europa league place already secured does our final league position matter now?

and would a new manager be able to improve it if the current manager is replaced?

kenny daglish already has a good cup record, would a new manager benefit our run in the FA cup?

at this stage of the season, the 'business end' of the campaign, are there really any managers out there willing to join LFC apart from the ones on the scrapheap that have been sacked by their previous employers? especially when theres nothing to play for.

i think our league form is very poor, something that none of us are happy about at the moment.

but like BarLennon said in another post, i think we need to wait until the end of the season and reflect on everything thats happened. theres still a quarter of it to go yet.

theres a possibility we could lift another trophy, i believe no matter how bad our league form is it takes a talented manager to make it to where we have this year in the domestic cups, especially if we go on to win the FA cup.

i think everyone has their own opinion on whether kenny should stay or go. but rather than constantly slaughtering the manager from now til the end of the season and calling for his head week in / week out, show some support and respect for a living legend and see where we end up at the end of what has been a tough transitional campaign.

Agreed. No to sacking him now but I have been making notes in my little book.

Due to us winning a cup, on occasion playing some really good football and still in the running for the FA Cup, I'd give him another season.

I know he's bought some rubbish but so did Rafa, Gerard and Roy. It may be a case of they are the best we can get with our current league standing. Let him have another go next season and see where we go from there.

Would give him another £100m if not how much ?

Let him sell the flops and add 30 or so million. So about 32.5 million.

It depends on who we are thinking of bringing in, If you are going down the very top end of the manager market I agree that them managers might already be tied up until the summer. However if we are looking at a younger manager or one who we know is definately available then I think it would make better sense to bring him in straight away. I say this for the fact he could assess the team and squad between now and the end of the season and see what we need to bring in and ship out and also taking into consideration the Euro Championships will make the transfer window a relitively short one so we wont have much time to do business, players will join up with there respective countries as soon as the season finishes and will be locked away from Clubs and agents until the end of June so you cant speak or negotiate. Like I say it depends on what we are looking at replacing this current manager with as to wether it's worth making the change now, Villas Boas, Paul Lambert or Brendan Rogers would do straight away

If we were making all the headlines for the right reasons and fighting a the top of the league for the EPL title and CL then probaly, but I can't see how things are going to be different next season, the trouble also is the quality of player that we need to take us too the top wil not want come to us because we aren't in the champions league or are not succesful enough at this moment and don't look like improving anytime soon.

The fact that people are even suggesting Kenny to be sacked is laughable and shows how fickle our so called supporters have come. I used to enjoy coming on this forum to discuss our great club but we are know being supported by blow-ins who don't understand what getting behind your team and through thick and thin is all about. SAD.

your opinion, I choose not to accept becoming a mid table team

Liverpool dominated possession against QPR last night, played a better brand of football, should have been 3 or 4 nil up at half time.

We weren’t. So what?

Can anyone deny that the brand of football and style of play is considerably better than under Hodgson.

No team ever gained sustained success by sacking manager, year after year.

GIVE THE MANAGER TIME.

Dalglish will learn from the issues that are stopping us from going forwards at this moment in time. It took Alex Ferguson six years to get it right at Manchester United. Six years.
Between 1987 and 1990 Ferguson signed numerous players. The list below is of those who cost a fair wedge back then and were never in the squad in 93 when they won their first title. The sums of money were no small amount back then.

Viv Anderson 250,000
Jim Leighton 750,000
Mal Donaghy 650,000
Ralph Mine 170,000
Neil Webb 1,500,000
Brian Carey 100,000
Danny Wallace 1,200,000

The point I’m making is, every manager needs time to figure out what works and what doesn’t. It’s a disgrace that a season and half is deemed sufficient, it is nowhere near enough.

The brand and style of football is what the fans want but the results aren’t. If the squad is tweeked and the players who can’t cut it moved on then the results will change.

Dalglish is not stupid, he knows he can’t slate his players in public. Why would he? He is still relying on them to win the FA cup.

Had there been a fully fit squad of players yesterday Agger would have replaced Carragher, and Kelly would have played the full game. Why is no one bringing this up? Dalglish knows his best back four he just can’t play them. It’s likely that settled back four would have seen the game out. Where is the credit for recognising previous frailties in the defence and addressing them? For bringing Kelly in more regularly and allowing a better ball playing centre back like Agger to step up full time.

Managers learn. Dalglish will learn quicker than most. Stop this constant public whining after every single game. It is not the Liverpool way. We are not going to topple Manchester United and Arsenal in this manner. Clubs who suceed have been patient, and understood the idea that managers are people and make mistakes too. But also understand that the best managers learn from their mistakes and address them.
And if we are constantly comparing ourselves to Manchester United, lets do it right. In Fergie’s first full season in chanrge (1988-89), Man U lost 13 games and drew 12. They finished in 11th place 25 points behind Arsenal. I’m sure their fans were also saying at the end of the season, we shouldn’t be finishing behind the likes of QPR, Millwall, Coventry, Everton, Norwich or Derby. But they did finish there and they deserved to, because that is football, peaks and troughs. Man U haven’t always been a great team and Liverpool won’t always be sitting in 7th in the table.

The idea that people are ‘embarrassed’ at results is in itself ‘embarrasing’. I’m ‘embarrassed’ by supporters that people feel a god given right to win football games, not only that I’m ‘embarrassed’ that so called supporters feel that calling for a managers head after every defeat is warranted.

Do I feel sympathy for people who go to watch us play and see a defeat? No. This is what we sign up for. If you are not prepared to see a defeat don’t go to the game. There is always that chance. We will see more and more defeats if supporters are pulling in different directions. That is guaranteed.