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Maybe I was being a bit harsh on Downing & Carroll, but I'm sticking to my guns on henderson. However, when you consider that Joe Cole and Jovanovic were free can it be said that the downing and carroll have given better value for money? hmm, you might be right on Henderson, lol. Just watched the game for a second time. First goal, which allowed them back in, was a mess up between Carra (again!) and Henderson. How did some people think Carra was blameless? He's full fo blame again. 2nd goal was a cross from the left, so the Carra Henderson side, and then Skrtel didn't seem to jump. I'm not worried at all about Downing, never have been. I read every week how he's playing poorly, yet the Coates goal arose because Downing hit a shot which deflected and looped in the air, and the second goal Downing almost scored and the keeper just managed to parry it which Kuyt finished, and the game before , Downing scored the winner. He's at least involved and contributing, even if played out of position regularly. Of course as you say, if you judge things on value for money, then things might be different. None of the players are playing as well as they can anyway, so as I've said before, I'll judge them when we've got a proper manager in charge. Good post, Rafarendum, completely agree with everything - aside from possibly the final line. Not that I disagree with it, but it's maybe a bit of a harsh statement. I've given my opinions on Kenny and the current state of the team already, and I stick to that. I'll judge fully at the end of the season. I think that can be the only time for proper reflection, with how things currently are. i think you are talking some serious sense. how would sacking the manager at this stage of the season benefit us in any way when all we have to play for is an FA cup semi final and our managers cup record is good so far.
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The argument about Dalglish is a stalemate at the moment - but here are a couple of observations.
The Dalglish-bashers have made their mind up. No article, argument, new data is going to change their minds however compelling. They want Kenny out no matter what. For them, the damage is done - although they struggle to articulate how that damage is irreversible. Historical precedents show that a manager can indeed go on to be a success after a first season struggle - but they are dead set against the man for some reason.
The Dalglish-backers are a slightly different breed. Their support is provisional and has a term limit. They are asking for patience due to those historical precedents - and because of who Dalglish is (not just as a former player!). They are accepting of new data and will change when the threshold of their patience wears out. But they are willing Kenny to find the right combination for success and have some faith in him as a link to the old bootroom. +1
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
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The argument about Dalglish is a stalemate at the moment - but here are a couple of observations.
The Dalglish-bashers have made their mind up. No article, argument, new data is going to change their minds however compelling. They want Kenny out no matter what. For them, the damage is done - although they struggle to articulate how that damage is irreversible. Historical precedents show that a manager can indeed go on to be a success after a first season struggle - but they are dead set against the man for some reason.
The Dalglish-backers are a slightly different breed. Their support is provisional and has a term limit. They are asking for patience due to those historical precedents - and because of who Dalglish is (not just as a former player!). They are accepting of new data and will change when the threshold of their patience wears out. But they are willing Kenny to find the right combination for success and have some faith in him as a link to the old bootroom. +1 +2 although i dont want kenny to stay because of who he was or what he has done. i simply respect him for that. as regards him staying, i want him to stay if he feels he knows what needs to be done. he seems really pissd off lately and i sense he is unhappy with either the attitude of the players, or something else within the club. maybe its comolli, who knows. i still trust him to do the right thing. if he feels he can improve us next season and continue to stabilise the club then ill back him. if he has nothing left to give i trust him to step down of his own accord. i realise we need to improve, but i also realise we can lose a lot by getting rid of kenny prematurely. Its a delicate time for lfc, and we may have to endure another couple of seasons with kenny holding things steady till the right manager is available. We might also set the league alight next year. but im definitely not in favour of this "sack the manager and put anyone else in" mentality. it would make an absolute joke of the club and cost us a fortune.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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Bring back Igor Biscan, is he still playing in Greece? Lol!
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Signing Downing cost us a fortune - his perfromances have made us a laughing stock......
Signing Henderson cost us a fortune - his 'performances' have made us a laughing stock......
Signing Andy Carroll cost us a fortune - his perfrormances have made us a laughing stock......
Spending £110m in 12 months to take us from 6th to 7th in the league has made us a laughing stock
Playing our worst players week in week out makes us a laughing stock
Sacking a massively underperforming manager would NOT cost us a fortune OR make us a laughing stock. It would show that we aren't the pushovers with infinite patience who react too slowly to things anymore, and that we mean business.
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To be fair lets just plug away and decide end of the season
What ever is done must be done for the best interests of the club and not for personal ego's
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and who do we get in in his place. youre so sure that sacking is the right way to go, who is going to take over.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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The argument about Dalglish is a stalemate at the moment - but here are a couple of observations.
The Dalglish-bashers have made their mind up. No article, argument, new data is going to change their minds however compelling. They want Kenny out no matter what. For them, the damage is done - although they struggle to articulate how that damage is irreversible. Historical precedents show that a manager can indeed go on to be a success after a first season struggle - but they are dead set against the man for some reason.
The Dalglish-backers are a slightly different breed. Their support is provisional and has a term limit. They are asking for patience due to those historical precedents - and because of who Dalglish is (not just as a former player!). They are accepting of new data and will change when the threshold of their patience wears out. But they are willing Kenny to find the right combination for success and have some faith in him as a link to the old bootroom. +1 The new 'data' actually fully backs up the dalglish bashers, not the supporters. So your preachy patronising post is rubbish, it is the supporters that choose to ignore the data and prefer to go on belief. Not the other way around. That is an obvious fact. Now I have absolutely no problem with that, as I believe a manager needs more than a season and a half to settle, in 90% of cases a manager can't come in and work miracles, so if (and I think he will) kenny gets another season, then thats okay with me as long as he doesn't waste another 100 million on some of the worst players inside the top 10's starting 11s. But the data 100% backs up the bashers, not supporters. You are just wrong to suggest otherwise. It is the supporters that are ignoring the new data.
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and who do we get in in his place. youre so sure that sacking is the right way to go, who is going to take over.
Who the person is, is not the issue the timing is. This close season sounds about right. I hear those people who say I new manager would have more planning time but we need to think of fan politics also. There are few fans who think dalglish is doing a good job just those who would give him more time. If its done in the right way it will be fine and there are plenty of managers far better than dalglish who would come to a top club like liverpool don't worry about that.
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Stats can be used to say whatever the person wants them to say
However it hard to escape we have only one 2 league games this year and its almost April
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