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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Gerrard, Suarez, and Carroll have started the same game 3 times. We've scored 11 in those 3 games. Ok, 3 of those were own goals by an inept Brighton on the night, but still. What I've found interesting though is how much further up the pitch Gerrard plays when both strikers start. When it was only Carroll or Suarez up front, Gerrard languished on halfway all the time. I'm yet to understand why. To be frank, we need to stick with the ideas from the Everton game, even though they were weakened. Stick with 4-4-2 lead by Carroll and Suarez. Don't play Adam. Let Gerrard roam forward at will rather than keeping him on the leash. Our defence is supposed to be one of the best in the league, so let's trust it a little yeah? Oh, and play Kelly every week. He has about two dozen games under his belt and he's disappointed in exactly 1. If he could improve his crossing a bit I'd pick him ahead of Johnson on both defensive AND offensive ability every time.

To add a few cents to the Henderson debate, he's getting all the game experience in the world, but he really isn't cut out to play as a wide man. He can definitely pick a pass - he's been doing it all season when he finds himself in the middle, and I'm really surprised so few people on these forums give him credit for that. People look at assists and such, but don't look enough at how often Henderson makes a telling contribution in the build-up to a goal; my gut feel is that every assist Bellamy has from open play has come from a pass from Henderson that put him into acres of space. He's also very good at tracking back and putting pressure on the ball carrier. He has the right attributes to be an excellent CM for us in a few years, and I honestly can't understand the criticism he gets when he plays at RM. It's clearly not a natural position for him, so he will struggle, and it's not like he picks himself to play there.


i am a big fan of Henderson as I do see he has quality in him. However at the game I was so frustrated in the first 25mins with his constant passing back when in good positions. He improved and then 2nd half started the same again, but again improved. All in all and since watching the game on the TV his contribution in the final third was excellent - 1st and 2nd goals for example. BUT mixed in with several panicky back passes.
Basically its a confidence thing and I think he can help himself by taking a little more responsibility when well placed, some shooting wouldn't go a miss. If he plays on the right he should tuck in more to allow Johnson or Kelly to fit the wide space and do the 'winger' role, having white on his boots will not bring about his best attributes of a good pass and link up play.

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I agree more with rafa on spearing, i will never be able to make up my mind on his selection. i don't think motm. If he were sold tomorrow I wouldn' be bothered , sums him up. Average.

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he played well last night but he is a average player, however until Lucas comes back then we have little option but to play him


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I agree with heggypompom he is the only player of his type in the squad right now. Gerrard and Adam are mutually exclusive in the centre. Spearing with one of the two pref Gerrard provide a better balance

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I've seen Spearing get some great forward passes to the wide areas where we can break and damage teams. He is a very limited player at the moment but lets not forget this is the first time he breaks to the senior team this season thanks to the injury of Lucas. I can see him improving and getting a lot better as he gets more games. I will not write him off just yet.


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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
I've seen Spearing get some great forward passes to the wide areas where we can break and damage teams. He is a very limited player at the moment but lets not forget this is the first time he breaks to the senior team this season thanks to the injury of Lucas. I can see him improving and getting a lot better as he gets more games. I will not write him off just yet.


Bit like what happened with Lucas then really? whistle

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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
I've seen Spearing get some great forward passes to the wide areas where we can break and damage teams. He is a very limited player at the moment but lets not forget this is the first time he breaks to the senior team this season thanks to the injury of Lucas. I can see him improving and getting a lot better as he gets more games. I will not write him off just yet.


Bit like what happened with Lucas then really? whistle


Absolutely. If players like Adam and Hendersen which have costed us millions need time to adapt than I can't see why Spearing doesn't deserve more time to learn and up his game.


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Spearing is a squad player,a useful one at that,not every player can be a messi or xavi.


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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
Originally Posted By: Growler
Originally Posted By: Snakeye
I've seen Spearing get some great forward passes to the wide areas where we can break and damage teams. He is a very limited player at the moment but lets not forget this is the first time he breaks to the senior team this season thanks to the injury of Lucas. I can see him improving and getting a lot better as he gets more games. I will not write him off just yet.


Bit like what happened with Lucas then really? whistle


Absolutely. If players like Adam and Hendersen which have costed us millions need time to adapt than I can't see why Spearing doesn't deserve more time to learn and up his game.


Adapt to 'what' though? Lucas had a damn good reason for needing to adapt though:

A) he was young and coming from a different continent
B) as soon as he arrived he was played out of position from day 1 so had to learn a new trade
C) he couldn't speak a word of the 'queens'

But he was always going to come good as he was the brazillian footballer of the year. Henderson on the other hand already has premiership experience, speaks fluent english (presumably), and knew some of the squad before he arrived - there was no settling in period for him or any adapting to overcome. Yet with all of those advantages he still gives aboslutely nothing - I am convinced that those who think he has potential just 'hope' he has potential because 'he's young (ish)' and IF he comes good it will mean kenny made a decent albeit massively overpriced signing.
You could replace with him with any central midfielder in the premiership, or championship (possible even league 1) without any noticeable difference.

Interesting article here, where it says he started out as right midfielder but when moved to centre-mid even the sunderland fans booed him for his poor performances....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/13/jordan-henderson-liverpool


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Originally Posted By: thundyr

To add a few cents to the Henderson debate, he's getting all the game experience in the world, but he really isn't cut out to play as a wide man. He can definitely pick a pass - he's been doing it all season when he finds himself in the middle, and I'm really surprised so few people on these forums give him credit for that. People look at assists and such, but don't look enough at how often Henderson makes a telling contribution in the build-up to a goal; my gut feel is that every assist Bellamy has from open play has come from a pass from Henderson that put him into acres of space. He's also very good at tracking back and putting pressure on the ball carrier. He has the right attributes to be an excellent CM for us in a few years, and I honestly can't understand the criticism he gets when he plays at RM. It's clearly not a natural position for him, so he will struggle, and it's not like he picks himself to play there.


Spot on, whenever he has played in the middle it is plain to see that he has an eye for that crucial pass, and has shown more in that aspect than Adam has as far as I am concerned....


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