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And they say Americans are the ones that bastardize the English language.
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AVB did nothing to suggest that he's a class manager with chavs. If anything, they self-destructed under his leadership.
Tactically, they were crap too.
Tell me 3 good things about AVB that warrants him as a possible replacement for KD. And no, him being young is not an advantage.
I would very much take rafa before him.
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Rafa is LFC only fighting chance at this point to get back on top, KD spent 100 mil and only could of attracted the players we have technically he isnt brilliant to get the big names here he doesnt have that either only thing he as is the support of the fans, rafa on the other hand knows lfc ball game style of play and not trying to bash english players but he could attract big names from spain all the big name british players arent at liverpool he got torres xabi reina glen lucas mash and the list goes on. the bad season he had we finished 6th we are currently in 7th fans are saying kenny needs couple of season those seasons should of been rafa's. im sure with him as the coach we would have a fighting chance for players like javi martinez carzola or even hazzard. I know for a fact if lfc asked rafa to return he would within a blink of an eye
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My only fear is that, if we hire Rafa, we'll have another Keegan-at-Newcastle (or Dalglish-at-Liverpool!) situation where the second time around is more or less a disaster. I'd hate to see the complete ineptitude of Adam, Carroll, Downing & Co. tarnish the legacy of another good manager.
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Is AVB a good manager? That's actually a difficult question.
In (an admittedly weaker league) he took two clubs to advanced positions. One from the brink of relegation to 11th and a cup final, the other to the league, cup, and EL titles with a staggering 80% win percentage in all competitions. Now some will say, ah, but Porto are perennial league winners etc, but I don't think that anyone can misunderstand that the Portuguese league is a tough one given that the top 3 clubs all made the EL semi-finals, disposing of English clubs along the way.
At Chelsea though, he's failed. Question is, did he fail more than Ancellotti? I'm not sure he did. There were clear signs of squad dissent last year, and were I John Terry I wouldn't be too proud of having cost 3 managers their jobs while I was captain of their sides (Ancellotti, Capello, AVB). AVB bore the primary brunt of not getting Torres to fire, and backed the side to evolve without the senior players only to be let down and forced to swallow his pride when the senior players came back in and embarrassed him. He didn't have it all his own way, but I'm not sure he had much chance of success. Some might liken his reign to that of Hodgson, except that AVB kept Chelsea comfortably in the top 4 hunt rather than flirting with the wrong half of the table. Right now I'd tip them to finish ahead of Spurs, though perhaps that's reading too much into "new manager impetus".
Chelsea did not advance under his leadership, but I believe that has more to do with inertia from the senior players than the impact of players like Luis, Meireles, Mata, and Torres. He tried to play a high pressing line, with a high tempo game, but with a squad that loves to languish with the ball and not run too hard without it. Managers are supposed to be able to work that out though, much like Dalglish seems to overlook critical errors in tactics and team selection with Liverpool.
I think that 8 months in charge of a club in decline but with expectations of winning the CL with one of the most petulant owners in world football is not enough evidence to suggest that AVB is a poor manager. Not when he has bailed out a bottom table club, or battered everyone in Europe's second tier with a decent squad. Some say they'd love to see Rafa at the helm of Liverpool with money to burn. I wouldn't mind seeing AVB at the helm of Liverpool with a young squad willing to buy into his system.
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I don't think adam, carroll or henderson would get anywhere near the 1st team under rafa! Downing might be given a chance as we're very thin on natural wingers but raf would make sure that he had someone decent to give the ball to.
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hey thats true, i would worry about that too but, its the position LFC is in at the moment, only other coach i see that could get top players before the players hear about the salary package would be jose, and lets be real here LFC is in the back room to get jose here. what i suggest would be to give rafa a 50 mil package plus the sale of players and a 1 or 2 year contract with an extension available if he acquires
CL most of these managers need to know their job is on the line. And just to add you know the thing with kenny season was we never really got up and running all season our style of play as been not so enticing, if we played good attractive football and fell short we wouldn't be here but the quality of play as been poor all season even in matches we won. theres no assurance with any game for the 3 points.
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Is AVB a good manager? That's actually a difficult question.
In (an admittedly weaker league) he took two clubs to advanced positions. One from the brink of relegation to 11th and a cup final, the other to the league, cup, and EL titles with a staggering 80% win percentage in all competitions. Now some will say, ah, but Porto are perennial league winners etc, but I don't think that anyone can misunderstand that the Portuguese league is a tough one given that the top 3 clubs all made the EL semi-finals, disposing of English clubs along the way.
At Chelsea though, he's failed. Question is, did he fail more than Ancellotti? I'm not sure he did. There were clear signs of squad dissent last year, and were I John Terry I wouldn't be too proud of having cost 3 managers their jobs while I was captain of their sides (Ancellotti, Capello, AVB). AVB bore the primary brunt of not getting Torres to fire, and backed the side to evolve without the senior players only to be let down and forced to swallow his pride when the senior players came back in and embarrassed him. He didn't have it all his own way, but I'm not sure he had much chance of success. Some might liken his reign to that of Hodgson, except that AVB kept Chelsea comfortably in the top 4 hunt rather than flirting with the wrong half of the table. Right now I'd tip them to finish ahead of Spurs, though perhaps that's reading too much into "new manager impetus".
Chelsea did not advance under his leadership, but I believe that has more to do with inertia from the senior players than the impact of players like Luis, Meireles, Mata, and Torres. He tried to play a high pressing line, with a high tempo game, but with a squad that loves to languish with the ball and not run too hard without it. Managers are supposed to be able to work that out though, much like Dalglish seems to overlook critical errors in tactics and team selection with Liverpool.
I think that 8 months in charge of a club in decline but with expectations of winning the CL with one of the most petulant owners in world football is not enough evidence to suggest that AVB is a poor manager. Not when he has bailed out a bottom table club, or battered everyone in Europe's second tier with a decent squad. Some say they'd love to see Rafa at the helm of Liverpool with money to burn. I wouldn't mind seeing AVB at the helm of Liverpool with a young squad willing to buy into his system. On.the money, great post. Hit the nail.on.the head. Email it to the owners
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On.the money, great post.
Hit the nail.on.the head.
Email it to the owners You. fanCy, PunctUation.by.ANy.ChanCe? 
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