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Does he score for us? Does he create? The only thing that he does better than we already have is defend, sure he may of defended that goal but that will still end 0-0 one point saved but does he give us that killer extinct to go out and win games? No, he would not have made a difference going forward yesterday.

Clearly you don't watch football matches very closely, to have such a low opinion of what Lucas offers to the team.

Whilst I think Lucas is a decent enough player, I think too many people are mistaking a handful of games where he has played well as being the norm for him. For a long time most people were slating him on a weekly basis, and possibly with good reason. The only benefit of his return will mean either adam or henderson will play less, so effectively we'll be back to playing with 10 outfield players instead of 9. However, the rest of the midfield is still abysmal. If Lucas hadn't got injured our strikers would still have poorest accuracy in the league.

Look if you don't want to answer my question that is fine but taking a low dig like that, I expected better from you.

Whilst I think Lucas is a decent enough player, I think too many people are mistaking a handful of games where he has played well as being the norm for him. For a long time most people were slating him on a weekly basis, and possibly with good reason. The only benefit of his return will mean either adam or henderson will play less, so effectively we'll be back to playing with 10 outfield players instead of 9. However, the rest of the midfield is still abysmal. If Lucas hadn't got injured our strikers would still have poorest accuracy in the league.

Do you EVER stop talking crap? "Handful of games"?! He was our player of the season last season, and until he got injured, he was once again our best player by far. He may not get as many goals or assists, but he does the more underrated work in the team that may not always get as much credits (especially from certain viewers) but in many ways is just as important.

Doing this role, he can't help that the other players can't hit a barn door, no, but I lost count of the amount of times this season and last that Lucas won possession back off an opponent and immediately started a counter attack with a forward pass. In comparison to his replacements in the team - Adam/Henderson - they very rarely win possession back in these DM areas, and if they try usually either fai, or give a foul away. On the rare occasion that they actually win it, they usually look like they don't know what to do with the ball, and play a safe backwards pass.

Lucas's stats speak for themselves. Over that period he won the ball more times than any other player in the Premiership. Spearing is the closest thing we have to someone who can do that, and Spearing is nowhere near in the same league.

Undervalue it all you like - the absence of Lucas is a massive factor in why we constantly get overrun in midfield by other teams. Did you notice how deep Steven Gerrard was playing when he came on yesterday?? Do you think he'd need to do that is Lucas was playing?



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Do you EVER stop talking crap? "Handful of games"?! He was our player of the season last season, and until he got injured, he was once again our best player by far. He may not get as many goals or assists, but he does the more underrated work in the team that may not always get as much credits (especially from certain viewers) but in many ways is just as important.

Doing this role, he can't help that the other players can't hit a barn door, no, but I lost count of the amount of times this season and last that Lucas won possession back off an opponent and immediately started a counter attack with a forward pass. In comparison to his replacements in the team - Adam/Henderson - they very rarely win possession back in these DM areas, and if they try usually either fai, or give a foul away. On the rare occasion that they actually win it, they usually look like they don't know what to do with the ball, and play a safe backwards pass.

Lucas's stats speak for themselves. Over that period he won the ball more times than any other player in the Premiership. Spearing is the closest thing we have to someone who can do that, and Spearing is nowhere near in the same league.

Undervalue it all you like - the absence of Lucas is a massive factor in why we constantly get overrun in midfield by other teams. Did you notice how deep Steven Gerrard was playing when he came on yesterday?? Do you think he'd need to do that is Lucas was playing?



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I understand that but am coming from a different direction here. Our defence has been very good in his absence, we miss him dearly because he wins all those balls back but what I was trying to say is he would not have solved our goal scoring problem which is the reason we are nowhere near the top teams, I've seen him give some fantastic forward passes but how would he have made a difference if we know that our strikers always miss those golden opportunities? I know Lucas, I know what he offers to the team but again he does not have a magic wand that suddenly makes Suarez or Carroll score every opportunity he makes. I stand by my point and say he would not have made a damn difference.

No need to be abusive.

Only time will tell if Lucas's absence has played a large part in our downfall but I am certain that you have convinced yourself of his importance as a way to explain such a bad season overall.

Do you honestly think that if Lucas hadn't got injured we'd be challenging for 4th? Might I remind you were only in 7th when he got injured. If that doesn't prove you wrong then nothing will, as you don't seem able to accept when you're mistaken (hence the abuse perhaps?)

The reality is that he sometimes plays well but he isn't that important. When he's back you will see that not much will change. I have heard of teams collapsing and going on a bad run of form because they're best keeper/striker/attacker is injured but I've never heard of a team using the absence of a defensive midfielder as an excuse. But some people will cling to anything I guess and if that makes you feel better, good luck to you. All I can say is don't get too upset if the return of Lucas doesn't catapault us to the premier league title.

I clearly mentioned in my earlier post that our defence has been great when Agger was available. He is our main defender so obviously in his absence we will be weakened. United's defence looks mediocre without Vidic, City's defence looks shaky without Kompany, the list goes on.