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Yep!

There was another "probably" man on here, in another thread regarding our youth team/reserves. That it's "probably" not even as good as second division football and it's not even competitive!

I don't understand it right, if your not totally sure about something you've said, or are going to say, then why say it?

"Probably"

We could get Tony Pulis in probably and he will probably do a far better job than Kenny, probably. He will also probably play the same "football" as he does at Stoke. We will probably not mess up in the transfer windows and we will probably re-sign Peter Crouch and probably get Rory Delap in to, to probably do his throw in's and probably win us the league....but then again, we could probably get relegated.....probably!

I think I'll stick with Kenny don't you?

PROBABLY

You can tell when a club has fallen from grace when they refer to the carling cup as a MAJOR HONOUR!!!!

Birmingham won the carling cup recently so they have the same 'major honours' as us - does that mean we should be on the hunt for Alex Mcleish?

You need to be looking at how a manager has improved his team and how much they are performing above expectation, in order to short list our next manager. Although we've won the carling cup, there are plenty of managers around who are doing better based on expectation and spend.

-A very good manager will overachieve and not spend much money
-A very poor manager will spend a fortune and not improve his club's league position

With all this blabber I'm still yet to see a serious suggestion.

Oh and another thing Carheex.

"It doesn't invalidate Tony Pulis"

OK what are the expectations at Stoke? Are Stoke going to win the league? Stoke's expectations are to finish top half to mid-table.

OK what are Norwich's expectations? Survival? They've exceeded that, so in a way, Paul Lambert has done a better job, with a smaller budget, than MOST of the managers in the league this season. Not just a better job than Kenny, but arguably a better job than the team sat at the top of the league.

OK, what are Swansea's expectations? Survival? They've also exceeded that and play better football than most of the teams in the league. So, Brendan Rodgers has done a better job, with a smaller budget, than MOST of the managers in the league this season. Not just a better job than Kenny, but arguably a better job than the team sat at the top of the league.

What were Liverpool's expectations this season? Champions League qualification? Based on our budget and the signings made, NOT getting Champions League football next season, will be a disappointment. Nobody is denying that, but do we deserve it this year? Are we in the place we deserve to be this year? have other teams around us deserved it more than us?

Does this ultimately mean Kenny should be sacked, what about given the chance of putting it right next year?

Exactly, because it seems to be a common thing with people that say "Dalglish Out!"...they tend not to say any managers they'd like to see in if that happens.

However, we've got one here saying lot's of managers in the league this season have done a better job than Kenny, at teams like Stoke, Swansea and Norwich.

So by this account, Roy Hodgson at the time, was a very good appointment, considering he done arguably a better job than Rafa did in his last year!

Villas-Boas is my pick.

Just imagine the satisfaction he'd have at another premier league club, winning the league every year, trumping Chelsea, a club (fans and owners) that attempted to destroy him, so early on in his managerial career.

He's a wounded animal.

You can tell when someone has ideas above their station when they refer to a trophy that Bob Paisley won 4 times in a row as not being a major trophy.

Alex McLeish would probably be one of your suggestions.

Tony Pulis, Paul Lambert, Martin Jol and Roy Hodgson ( I think we tried him: a huge success)are all on your list as potential replacements.

I dont know which is worse?

Those that think Mourinho or Guardiola are coming to come to Anfield or those that think any of the above our going to return our club to where we all want it to be.

If you are going to argue your point please come up with a feasible alternative. Merely creating a list of journeymen and rookies is a little lazy dont you think.

It could be argued that kenny was given a shot and walked away from us - what has he done to deserve another crack?
Some of the 'journeymen' may well turn out to be top class managers but without a big club and an opportunity we will never see that.

Where would we be now if someone had said that Bob Paisley can't have the job because he'd never won a major honour??

Bob Paisley was appointed from within and took possession of a team coming into their absolute prime.

Kenny inherited an absolute mess and got rid of a serious amount of deadwood. (Koncelsky, Voronin, Jovanovic, Ngog & Poulsen)

This season he has taken us to Wembley and secured our first major trophy in 6 years. He has made mistakes, thats not up for debate, but he has steadied the club and if given a chance he MIGHT make us competitive again next season.

However he has won the premiership with 2 different clubs and has shown again this season that he still knows how to win trophies.

Some of the 'journeymen' may well turn out to be top class managers

MAY WELL is very similar to PROBABLY.
I may well get drunk tonight but I probably wont. There's a lot of uncertainty there.

Managers are judged on trophies won, not on potential and so far this lot have won zilch of consequence.

"Might" make us competitive sounds even more ominous than "probably" or "may well". Big Ron 'might' make us more competitive, john gregory 'might' make us more competitive......joe kinner 'might' even make us more competitive.