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The sundays are making out AVB time is up and Rafa is going to Chelsea. AVB has not suceeded at Chelsea but as we know that club is difficult with Abramovich pulling the strings. I have no opinions either way but I wondered what others think? Here would be an opportunity to get a young manager for the long term for Liverpool to build something and would be Henry's man with no baggage.

Would rather give Dalglish more time.

The press has it in for AVB... and he's damaged goods now. The club isn't here for any tom, dick or harry to experiment with and try and rebuild his reputation.

Interesting post Stan, however there are huge differences in the clubs owners and their viewpoints. I think Abromo gets a rough deal by many and it's a little unfair at the best of times. It's his pet project maybe love. You hear that once he wins the European trophy that he will sell, but there isn't a scrap of evidence to say that is true.

He has a similar philosophy to Madrid; that being the manager is backed financially to the hilt but there are no excuses if you fail; and for whatever reason Boas has failed miserably.

He had twice the starting 11 we had before the £100 million or so they have spent and are doing no better than us. I would question if any Premier league manager of 34 could come in and get the respect needed with a mix of young and senior players. Liverpool unless they got shot of everyone under what 27 ish would be a similar problem. How many fans would tolerate a real 'rebuilding' phase where we could quite easily be in the bottom half for 2 seasons or more?

They say they would but realistically they won't. FSG wouldn't spend window after window like Chelsea to speed the process along either. They are in it to make money and somewhere see a business model they think works.

If Kenny does step down at the end of the season (don't know either way) we need a proven world class manager ironically similar to those Chelsea have discarded and have done it big time. For me a real young manager and building a young squad (as is romantically envisaged) is neither realistic or possible at LFC.

Patience is already hugely overbought and most fans just wouldn't tolerate being slaughtered regularly over a 3-5 year period in a way Ferguson originally did it.

I have a feeling that Dalglish was not the owners choice but they have backed him. But now the signings have failed it maybe they are starting to hold back on the investment waiting to see how things pan out. Thats not good for the club so this situation may well accelerate Dalglish's departure. He needs that FA cup win to influence the owners. If Dalglish is replaced a young manager like AVB might fit the bill.

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Hear what your saying Stan. I think the owners perhaps did have AVB in their sights for the summer ... before they were forced to appoint Dalglish by circumstances. The probably dithered on AVB at the time because of the compensation they would have had to pay Porto whereas as Dalglish came cost free till the end of the season.

Of course, if AVB was sacked he would be available without having to pay compensation.

I think that what this tells us fans is that it's worrying to have owners who aren't knowledgeable about football. They don't have the corage of their convictions ... beacuse they don't have convistions. It appears that they don't know the game well enough, or have a strong enough view about how they want LFC to play to come to confident view about the right man.

no interested in what benitez does not one bit , now as for AVB now i am not advocating him for liverpool , but a younger coach with a more time and less expectations in his first season not he has to win the CL or the league or both or he is out like at chelsea , maye is the the of long term manager LFC requires , now as i have said the cups are special , fantastic , brilliant ,memorable ETC ETC , but sadly the league form is a disgrace nothing more nothing less at the moment relegation stuff even though there is no chance of that happening because one more point is needed and liverpool wil get more than the one point needed , but 4 wins at home 30 goals all season teams breathing down our necks not chelsea, arsenal or man city , its west brom , norwich city , everton and stoke city its bad very bad .

True Stan, but if we are to believe what we read, Boas has age and respect issues with a number of seniors players. I see nothing with Liverpool's squad mix to think that it would be any different at Anfield. Furthermore, anyone coming in is going to have to try and conjure something of epic proportions to get a few such as Carroll showing significant improvement. Boas hasn't managed it with the mirror in Torres so it is a little ominous him coming in here and doing it.

A superstar in the making around 40-45 maybe different, but I don't think Boas would pull it off. FSG would certainly surprise a fair few of us if they sank another £100 million or so in over a transfer window with Boas.

If we win the FA Cup, Kenny will probably be safe until the end of his contract but I honestly wouldn't like to call it if we finish 7th and fail in the Cup.

No chance not AVB he is not right for LFC he has failed spectacularly in his first season in PL stick with Kenny for me.

We can only go by what we have seen with AVB and with the players/money at his disposal then it looks like a no, however my feeling is that no club whoever they are with any amount of money will not and have not been a success overnight,even within a year,so i see no point in swapping and changing managers every season just because the fans want to win everything now! and the fact that the current manager has failed this time round, man city, chelsea, manu havnt won what they thought they might with all at their disposal. no one knows if kenny can turn things around but it was only 3 weeks ago wengers head was on the block now he's the best thing since sliced bread, like it or not i think patience is needed to tweek the team as and when needed,and we all know its needed,sadly no one will wait though. BTW AVB seems to be hoping for the sack to me,he isnt defending himself,but that maybe because he knows the wolves are out to get him now,is that the way we want to go every year?