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you are just a glory hunting fan who just wants to brag to his mates, no respect for history or what the club stands for and I know for certain that you will not be attending the game on Sunday as probably you have never attended a game. Dalglish is the 2nd most succesful manager in the premier league and has genuine understanding of the club.
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you are just a glory hunting fan who just wants to brag to his mates, no respect for history or what the club stands for and I know for certain that you will not be attending the game on Sunday as probably you have never attended a game. Dalglish is the 2nd most succesful manager in the premier league and has genuine understanding of the club.
shame on you
+1.1 Yes and he also help start the demise of the Club at the end of his first spell...
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Some good posts this morning and we are starting to get to the nub of the issue instead of calling people names. I don't see financial restrictions for a club of Liverpool's size provided we incept a recovery plan for the club's infrastructure which has been allowed to wane over the last 30 years or so. Dalglish age such not be an issue ref Ferguson / Redknapp. However Dalglish's experience might be an issue he gives the impression he is learning on the job and the signings have been underwhelming you have to admit that no matter how optimistic you may care to be. The key is Henry who needs to take the lead here and set out where this club is going to. Dalglish is just an employee who is doing a job the requirements of which are success on the field and build a strong squad. Unfortunately for the club, Kenny creates his own financial restrictions by sticking with his mainly buy-british approach. This means that he is probably spending twice as much money as he needs to in order to remain level with our competitors. Take the infamous trio of downing, henderson and carroll for example....£70m+ which could very, VERY easily have been better spent on 5 or 6 non-british players which would have been of much more use to us, even if 1 or 2 ended up being duds - as it is, all 3 are duds and we're stuck with them. So from that perspective, Kenny has created an uphill struggle just to stay level.
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There are lots of problems:
-Due to financial restrictions, we cannot move forward as quickly as other clubs - that is the biggest problem.
-The second biggest problem is that kenny has spent a couple of years' worth of budget on really poor players, so unless we get some top quality bosmans or produce something stunning from our youths (yeah right!) then it will take a few years to start challenging again.
-We've employed a man almost of retirement age to take us into the future - another bad decision as we will need to start over in a few years when he hangs up his coat for good. A new manager will have different ideas, want to do different things and will no doubt need a few hundred million to sort out the shambles of a squad that kenny has assembled
-Our best player, Gerrard, who has virtually carried us for such a long time is on the decline - he can't be replaced, full stop, and that leaves a massive gap
-Money again: the mega rich clubs can outbid us on anyone and offer more wages, more bonuses, more chance of league medals and a better chance to play in europe - for the foreseeable future we will be getting the players that the top clubs don't want
-We've had some very good managers, some superb players and a lot of money to spend in the last 20 years have only really challenged for the title once, and that was when our rivals didn't have sugar daddy's, what chance have we got now?!
......I just don't see how we can close the gulf in quality and compete, not without getting our own ridiculously wealthy/stupid owners. Until then, 4th place IS the target, IS essential, IS the ambition and should be our main priority over any cup competitions.
what total utter tosh and what a drama queen you are. You offer no evidence to your opinion but speak as if it's true. Redknapp was older than Dalglish when he got the Spurs job and was fortunate that someone had been buying young players(commolli) for the two revious seasons, they have now developed and they are a comfortable 3rd without spending zillions or having massive wage bill. you are just a glory hunting fan who just wants to brag to his mates, no respect for history or what the club stands for and I know for certain that you will not be attending the game on Sunday as probably you have never attended a game. Dalglish is the 2nd most succesful manager in the premier league and has genuine understanding of the club. shame on you Opinions don't need evidence...they are OPINIONS! One minute I'm accused of not wanting us to win the carling cup, the next I'm accused of being a glory hunter?!? make your mind up ladies, i can't be both! None of your comments are relevant to my post other than Redknapp was old when spurs took him on. Thanks for pointing that out - due to his age he's now looking to go part-time and venture into international management, which kind of backs up MY point and not yours. Embarassed? You should be, unless you've got anything further to add to disprove my theories/opinions.... Try tackling my points one at a time, see how far you get.....
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We still need to aim at winning at least 9 of our remaining games. 5 non-wins and we can kiss 4th goodbye. We need that perfect close to the season, like we had in 08/09 once we stopped drawing games at the end of Feb. It will be tough, but we've played all 3 teams at the top of the league already, so technically every game in front of us is against a weaker side than those (and against whom we have a poor record: W0 D3 L3).
Win the League Cup, use that morale boost to beat Arsenal at Anfield (where I'm sure the crowd will be electric), take that on the road and beat Sunderland, and we'll take some stopping. So we need to get our heads right and our tactics secure. We need maximum points each week, every game a cup final, but maybe the pressure will turn these boys into men. Can you honestly see us putting that sort of a run together when the best we have done this season is just two wins. I think for what you are saying we are going to have to see something different from Carroll as in scoring regulary, Henderson, Downing and Adam and unfortunately as much as we want it it aint gonna happen is it, we also need better from our incompetent manager as in team selections, tactics and substitutions again it's not gonna happen if it has'nt already so you see there is just no way fourth place is on for me no matter what it says mathmaticaly... And I think that if the players around him can see the improvement in Carroll's game and ask themselves, "Why am I having less impact than him? Perhaps I need to up my game..." then maybe these people will start to finally pull their weight. Recently we've seen some things, or at least I have. A decent ball from a set piece from Adam each game, rather than none. Carroll putting in a hard shift for a big guy for 90 minutes. Suarez getting on with the game. Downing having a go. Henderson strong when we don't have the ball. These are not perfect scenarios, but they are signs of progress; things we can build on. We didn't have any of that 9 months ago. I mean, how many games did we dominate without winning prior to December? Most, yeah, especially at home. What happens if our improved attitude, focus, and morale from the cups gives us that one extra shot on goal, and it goes in? I'm not saying we're a great side right now, and our form has indeed been poor throughout the season precisely because we can't put more than 2 wins back-to-back in the league. But that doesn't imply we will continue to fail. Winning 9 from 13 is a massive ask for any side - only the Manchester clubs are returning that kind of consistency. But if we don't try we most certainly won't succeed. But you keep telling us not to try...
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We still need to aim at winning at least 9 of our remaining games. 5 non-wins and we can kiss 4th goodbye. We need that perfect close to the season, like we had in 08/09 once we stopped drawing games at the end of Feb. It will be tough, but we've played all 3 teams at the top of the league already, so technically every game in front of us is against a weaker side than those (and against whom we have a poor record: W0 D3 L3).
Win the League Cup, use that morale boost to beat Arsenal at Anfield (where I'm sure the crowd will be electric), take that on the road and beat Sunderland, and we'll take some stopping. So we need to get our heads right and our tactics secure. We need maximum points each week, every game a cup final, but maybe the pressure will turn these boys into men. Can you honestly see us putting that sort of a run together when the best we have done this season is just two wins. I think for what you are saying we are going to have to see something different from Carroll as in scoring regulary, Henderson, Downing and Adam and unfortunately as much as we want it it aint gonna happen is it, we also need better from our incompetent manager as in team selections, tactics and substitutions again it's not gonna happen if it has'nt already so you see there is just no way fourth place is on for me no matter what it says mathmaticaly... And I think that if the players around him can see the improvement in Carroll's game and ask themselves, "Why am I having less impact than him? Perhaps I need to up my game..." then maybe these people will start to finally pull their weight. Recently we've seen some things, or at least I have. A decent ball from a set piece from Adam each game, rather than none. Carroll putting in a hard shift for a big guy for 90 minutes. Suarez getting on with the game. Downing having a go. Henderson strong when we don't have the ball. These are not perfect scenarios, but they are signs of progress; things we can build on. We didn't have any of that 9 months ago. I mean, how many games did we dominate without winning prior to December? Most, yeah, especially at home. What happens if our improved attitude, focus, and morale from the cups gives us that one extra shot on goal, and it goes in? I'm not saying we're a great side right now, and our form has indeed been poor throughout the season precisely because we can't put more than 2 wins back-to-back in the league. But that doesn't imply we will continue to fail. Winning 9 from 13 is a massive ask for any side - only the Manchester clubs are returning that kind of consistency. But if we don't try we most certainly won't succeed. But you keep telling us not to try... Who is this "us" you are referring to?? You don't play for Liverpool as far as I'm aware. No one is saying that the players shouldn't try, but the task in hand is enormous and highly unprobable give our form and the quality.head start of the teams around us. The message therefore is, 'if you are optimistic of us getting 4th you will more than likely be hugely disappointed".
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Who is this "us" you are referring to?? You don't play for Liverpool as far as I'm aware.
No one is saying that the players shouldn't try, but the task in hand is enormous and highly unprobable give our form and the quality.head start of the teams around us. The message therefore is, 'if you are optimistic of us getting 4th you will more than likely be hugely disappointed". "Us" refers to the club collective - players, staff, fans. Anyone saying "The club can't do it" demeans everyone. Us. If I'm to be disappointed, then so be it - as long as the players and staff learn from it. Walking around with my head in a bag saying "Aim low to avoid disappointment" like some others on here, would suggest I have no pride in my football club.
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