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The target is as you say. Orginal post was for those who seem to be relaxing 4th spot as one for the future. I am hearing this more and more. Performances in the league might suggest the team is content to sit on our cup performance if you wanted to view it that way. But the season is not yet ever but by the end of March we will be better placed to judge. From my perspective I think we are average to good no more than that.
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There are lots of problems:
-Due to financial restrictions, we cannot move forward as quickly as other clubs - that is the biggest problem.
-The second biggest problem is that kenny has spent a couple of years' worth of budget on really poor players, so unless we get some top quality bosmans or produce something stunning from our youths (yeah right!) then it will take a few years to start challenging again.
-We've employed a man almost of retirement age to take us into the future - another bad decision as we will need to start over in a few years when he hangs up his coat for good. A new manager will have different ideas, want to do different things and will no doubt need a few hundred million to sort out the shambles of a squad that kenny has assembled
-Our best player, Gerrard, who has virtually carried us for such a long time is on the decline - he can't be replaced, full stop, and that leaves a massive gap
-Money again: the mega rich clubs can outbid us on anyone and offer more wages, more bonuses, more chance of league medals and a better chance to play in europe - for the foreseeable future we will be getting the players that the top clubs don't want
-We've had some very good managers, some superb players and a lot of money to spend in the last 20 years have only really challenged for the title once, and that was when our rivals didn't have sugar daddy's, what chance have we got now?!
......I just don't see how we can close the gulf in quality and compete, not without getting our own ridiculously wealthy/stupid owners. Until then, 4th place IS the target, IS essential, IS the ambition and should be our main priority over any cup competitions.
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There are lots of problems:
-Due to financial restrictions, we cannot move forward as quickly as other clubs - that is the biggest problem.
-The second biggest problem is that kenny has spent a couple of years' worth of budget on really poor players, so unless we get some top quality bosmans or produce something stunning from our youths (yeah right!) then it will take a few years to start challenging again.
-We've employed a man almost of retirement age to take us into the future - another bad decision as we will need to start over in a few years when he hangs up his coat for good. A new manager will have different ideas, want to do different things and will no doubt need a few hundred million to sort out the shambles of a squad that kenny has assembled
-Our best player, Gerrard, who has virtually carried us for such a long time is on the decline - he can't be replaced, full stop, and that leaves a massive gap
-Money again: the mega rich clubs can outbid us on anyone and offer more wages, more bonuses, more chance of league medals and a better chance to play in europe - for the foreseeable future we will be getting the players that the top clubs don't want
-We've had some very good managers, some superb players and a lot of money to spend in the last 20 years have only really challenged for the title once, and that was when our rivals didn't have sugar daddy's, what chance have we got now?!
......I just don't see how we can close the gulf in quality and compete, not without getting our own ridiculously wealthy/stupid owners. Until then, 4th place IS the target, IS essential, IS the ambition and should be our main priority over any cup competitions.
what total utter tosh and what a drama queen you are. You offer no evidence to your opinion but speak as if it's true. Redknapp was older than Dalglish when he got the Spurs job and was fortunate that someone had been buying young players(commolli) for the two revious seasons, they have now developed and they are a comfortable 3rd without spending zillions or having massive wage bill. you are just a glory hunting fan who just wants to brag to his mates, no respect for history or what the club stands for and I know for certain that you will not be attending the game on Sunday as probably you have never attended a game. Dalglish is the 2nd most succesful manager in the premier league and has genuine understanding of the club. shame on you
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There are lots of problems:
-Due to financial restrictions, we cannot move forward as quickly as other clubs - that is the biggest problem.
-The second biggest problem is that kenny has spent a couple of years' worth of budget on really poor players, so unless we get some top quality bosmans or produce something stunning from our youths (yeah right!) then it will take a few years to start challenging again.
-We've employed a man almost of retirement age to take us into the future - another bad decision as we will need to start over in a few years when he hangs up his coat for good. A new manager will have different ideas, want to do different things and will no doubt need a few hundred million to sort out the shambles of a squad that kenny has assembled
-Our best player, Gerrard, who has virtually carried us for such a long time is on the decline - he can't be replaced, full stop, and that leaves a massive gap
-Money again: the mega rich clubs can outbid us on anyone and offer more wages, more bonuses, more chance of league medals and a better chance to play in europe - for the foreseeable future we will be getting the players that the top clubs don't want
-We've had some very good managers, some superb players and a lot of money to spend in the last 20 years have only really challenged for the title once, and that was when our rivals didn't have sugar daddy's, what chance have we got now?!
......I just don't see how we can close the gulf in quality and compete, not without getting our own ridiculously wealthy/stupid owners. Until then, 4th place IS the target, IS essential, IS the ambition and should be our main priority over any cup competitions.
what total utter tosh and what a drama queen you are. You offer no evidence to your opinion but speak as if it's true. Redknapp was older than Dalglish when he got the Spurs job and was fortunate that someone had been buying young players(commolli) for the two revious seasons, they have now developed and they are a comfortable 3rd without spending zillions or having massive wage bill. you are just a glory hunting fan who just wants to brag to his mates, no respect for history or what the club stands for and I know for certain that you will not be attending the game on Sunday as probably you have never attended a game. Dalglish is the 2nd most succesful manager in the premier league and has genuine understanding of the club. shame on you LOL!
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what I cannot get my head round is the 'doomsayers' that they live in the real world and the 'blindfaithers' of which I must be one have no touch on reality.
Well sounds just like opinion to me but without validation. To declare we are not on target is bizarre, quite clearly the general synopsis for a good season was a cup or two and a champs league spot.
As far as I am aware we are we are very much on target for all of these. A cup final -check, QTRs FA CUP - Check, 4points off 4th place with 13 games to go- Check.
So who exactly is living in the real world? the facts dictate that we have progressed well. Doomsayers can have an opinion as much as anyone else but to say it is reality is as dramatic as those saying we could win the league.
Finally 4 of the players who were in the 2008/9 team now ply their trade in the worlds two best clubs(barca,Real), throw in Hyppia as well and then realise that less than a 3rd of the money raised by their sale was used to buy new players.this may explain where that great team went
this does not include an all firing Torres either. This is right except there's no check for the 4th place. We required 4th place, not just to compete for 4th place or be in touch with 13 games to go. Yes we can still get it, but unless there's a dramatic improvement in the team's play, we won't get it. It is just 4 points, which doesn't sound much because a team can easily drop that in a few games. The problem though is that it is worse than that. We need 3 teams to all drop 4 points more than us, and that's expecting a lot, especially on current form. All those 3 teams above us have to come to Anfield if I am not mistaken so that is a positive. I agree with your earlier post that we have been average to good in the league but this dance is far from over especially if we can pick up the pace after the carling cup final.
Back to Back World Champions baby!
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I'm not convinced we'd sell Suarez if we missed 4th. I'm not convinced there would be a serious offer for him. I'm not convinced he'd want to leave. Given all that, it's a bit premature to say we have no chance of getting top 4 next season if we miss this season, especially since we're talking about only one player. Remember Fernando Torres?
Yes, being in the Europa League will distract us from the league. Yes, being in the Europa League will probably prevent us buying the best "ready-made" talent in Europe. But you know, Spurs have arguably a better squad than LFC, and they've done it without loads of money and on the back of a number of Commolli's signings. Say what you like about these aspects, but try not to blind yourself to nurturing one's own talent and buying young players with future prospects. It works, especially when one designs tactics that suit the squad - it's perfectly possible for any team to become more than the sum of its parts. It may simply take more time for some teams than others.
So I don't see why we are less ambitious than we've been for the last 15 years. We can still compete, but we need better depth/options. We need a bit of momentum and self-belief. These are currencies hard earned, but where better to start than a cup or two? We've not crafted that winning habit yet, but we are showing signs of doing so.
I wouldn't give up yet. It's far too early for any of that.
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All those 3 teams above us have to come to Anfield if I am not mistaken so that is a positive. I agree with your earlier post that we have been average to good in the league but this dance is far from over especially if we can pick up the pace after the carling cup final. Nope! Newcastle is away, but Arsenal and Chelsea are coming to Anfield. Also we face Sunderland away the game after Arsenal. Those 2 games will more or less decide the outcome of our season. Less than 4 points from those 2 will mean we're toast! 4-6 points there and still no guarantee, but we will at least be in the mix for a bit longer then!
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We still need to aim at winning at least 9 of our remaining games. 5 non-wins and we can kiss 4th goodbye. We need that perfect close to the season, like we had in 08/09 once we stopped drawing games at the end of Feb. It will be tough, but we've played all 3 teams at the top of the league already, so technically every game in front of us is against a weaker side than those (and against whom we have a poor record: W0 D3 L3).
Win the League Cup, use that morale boost to beat Arsenal at Anfield (where I'm sure the crowd will be electric), take that on the road and beat Sunderland, and we'll take some stopping. So we need to get our heads right and our tactics secure. We need maximum points each week, every game a cup final, but maybe the pressure will turn these boys into men.
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We still need to aim at winning at least 9 of our remaining games. 5 non-wins and we can kiss 4th goodbye. We need that perfect close to the season, like we had in 08/09 once we stopped drawing games at the end of Feb. It will be tough, but we've played all 3 teams at the top of the league already, so technically every game in front of us is against a weaker side than those (and against whom we have a poor record: W0 D3 L3).
Win the League Cup, use that morale boost to beat Arsenal at Anfield (where I'm sure the crowd will be electric), take that on the road and beat Sunderland, and we'll take some stopping. So we need to get our heads right and our tactics secure. We need maximum points each week, every game a cup final, but maybe the pressure will turn these boys into men. Can you honestly see us putting that sort of a run together when the best we have done this season is just two wins. I think for what you are saying we are going to have to see something different from Carroll as in scoring regulary, Henderson, Downing and Adam and unfortunately as much as we want it it aint gonna happen is it, we also need better from our incompetent manager as in team selections, tactics and substitutions again it's not gonna happen if it has'nt already so you see there is just no way fourth place is on for me no matter what it says mathmaticaly...
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Some good posts this morning and we are starting to get to the nub of the issue instead of calling people names. I don't see financial restrictions for a club of Liverpool's size provided we incept a recovery plan for the club's infrastructure which has been allowed to wane over the last 30 years or so. Dalglish age such not be an issue ref Ferguson / Redknapp. However Dalglish's experience might be an issue he gives the impression he is learning on the job and the signings have been underwhelming you have to admit that no matter how optimistic you may care to be. The key is Henry who needs to take the lead here and set out where this club is going to. Dalglish is just an employee who is doing a job the requirements of which are success on the field and build a strong squad.
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