KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum When and why has our amibition fallen a level?

Firstly on the eve of the Carling Cup final good luck to the lads and it will be a good trophy if we win one definitely worth winning.

That out of the way I sense an insidious falling away of ambition. Let’s go back to the 70’s and 80’s when we won everything in sight hopefully those days will return but we have no right to expect that and nor do I.

But...

I am not expecting the world that just a reinstatement of our recent standards. We won the champions league in 2005 got to the final in 2007 and the semi final in 2008 and qualified regularly by getting into the top 4 sometimes 3 sometimes top 2. In the 2008 /9 season just 3 years ago we challenged United for title had Rafa not done his silly facts speech we might have done one better.

Yes we have had owner upheaval but then so have other clubs Utd for one and we have new owners for 18 months now. And I keep being told how good they are so that cannot be held up as an excuse.

Now I am starting to hear pragmatic comments such as we are not good enough to be in the champions league or we are a cup side, or lets give Kenny time to rebuild (rebuild what?) and think about the champions league in 2 /3 seasons.

Now I do understand the emergence of Man City and Spurs. However for me this does not wash Liverpool are a far bigger club and Spurs and Arsenal and Chelsea have taken a step back. That argument does not work for me and it seems we too have taken a step back in the last 3 to 4 years.

But worrying some of our fans seem to be accepting this and for the life of me I cannot fathom it out. At what point did our ambition which has held us in good stead since the 1960’s slip and why was I not notified?

Really people just what the hell is going on here?

All right but I want this thread starting up a 9am on the dot Monday morning.

Stanley I dont mind replying to you now instead of Monday as lets face it things getting put off could be one of the reasons from our fall from grace. I reckon the problem stems back from Smith and Robinson, they simply let the grass grow, thought the success and good times would always be there without building from a position of strenghth and with a succession or poor running with Noel White, David Moores, Hicks and Glillette, bad managers or in some cases managers not of the required standard in Souey, Roy Evans, Houllier, Benitez, Roy Hodgson and now Dalglish, players un-Liverpool like and not fit to wear the famous shirt and fans far too easily accepting all this and letting mediocrity and sentiment take over, it finaly took it's toll.

I think you are letting you imagination and heart run away with you regarding how big a Club you think we are as we are now only a big Club in name, big fan base maybe be but thats about it, success wise no not any more, big players and wages no, big stadium no and most importantly ambition no. I have said many a time in my posts that what we are seeing now is exactly the same as what happend to your Leeds United, Aston Villa's and Everton's years before were standards slowly slipped and slipped, this is proved by the question you have asked...

I think one must not confuse ambition, or loyalty or reality.
we all want Liverpool to do well, but in the grand scheme of things it is not realistic to expect a team in it;s first season together to win the premiership.
I did expect us to finish fourth as we bought players with premiership experience and we had no European football to distract us.
My Main gripe would be that the manager does not seem to know how best to use the players on the sub bench, and has made some decisions, that have been quite baffling to say the least.
but overall if we I am sat here next season saying the same things then fair enough, but I expect next season for us to be comfortably in the top four places in the league come the end.

If we cant get fourth place this season we have no chance next season, we wont get anywhere near as much money, we will probably have Europa League games to contened with, Gerrard, Bellamy, Maxi will be a year older, no Suarez and we will have a new manager in place, these are all things which for me will prove we wont be playing Champions league, top 6 and an F.A Cup and Carling Cup is our ultimate aim for us as a football Club, just the way times are now so we need to accept this and stop thinking about the past.

I think if we win two cups and nearly get fourth and are comfortably in the top 4 next season then most of us would be happy with that. But is that realistic ? we probably need another injection of players and will the owners sanction that. But more than that does anyone think we are moving towards that. Why will we be comfortably in the top 4 next season? what is going to change?

Stanley I think some people forget there will be a massive difference if we ever qualified for a Champions League place. What I mean by that is the money that gets made will not be as beneficial to the Club as the money established Champions League Clubs make. If you look at it this way in this Country the established Clubs are United, Chelsea and Now City, they can bank on Champions League revenue every season religiously give or take maybe one season out, same Spain with Madrid, Barca, Germany with Bayern, Portugal with Benfica and Porto e.t.c. this leaves really only one place each season up for grabbs in this country, maybe less if we lost a place over the coming years, so you have ourselves, Arsenal and Spurs going for it every season, in the next 12-15 years we may qualify about 3 times if we ever did, Arsenal maybe 4 or 5 and Spurs 3 or 4 this wont be enough to make sufficent funds to really challenge for the top, not against teams established and milking the pot evey season.

Stanley: I'm the most pesimisitc fan in the world

Northliverpool: No I am

Stanley: No I am

Northliverpool: No I am

ETC ETC ETC

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Well then me and Stanley living in the real world's point of view should balance all the blind faithers points of view on here perfectly then should'nt it...

Manic depressives meeting on here tonight.

We have a final on Sunday and you aint going to spoil it with your endless hot air and pomposity.

If we had lost the semi-final you would have tore strips off the team.
Now when we get to the final we lack ambition.

you dont like Liverpool you just like the sound of your own voice.