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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
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Listen before you get on your high horse, dont be getting offended, all I am saying is there is simply no way I can get my head around anyone wanting to support another city's or Town Clubs when they have perfectly good ones on there doorstep, IT's just something I simply dont understand and like I said I dont want to upset anyone as it's not my intention in thsi case.


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If everyone followed your logic then 'your local club' wouldn't be able to afford to buy players for millions and pay their wages, let me tell you. How shortsighted you are.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
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Faz is right on your deathbed you won't remember getting 4th place. BUT......

Had we not got 4th place in the 2003 / 4 season then there would have been NO Istanbul. Well all right there would have been but we would not have been there.

Remember that.....


That's a very good point Stanley. However, us qualifying for it isn't anywhere near a guarantee that we'll win it the following season - that's a massive rarity. You're right though - you have to be in it to win it, but we're in a Cup Final now, and for people to say they'd rather not be in it is beyond ridiculous.



I know but if you remember in 2005 we were rank outsiders in fact that year we did not qualify for the champions league. Also many low ranked clubs (Porto) have won the champions league. I think there are few of us out there who would rather win the Carling Cup or FA Cup than champions league.



It's not fair to talk about faz if he's not here to defend himself.

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2 footballing giants come to head to head in 2012 to contest the cup final.....but first, it's liverpool vs cardiff scrapping over a tinpot that most other teams couldn't give a t0ss about, hence the regular presence of smaller clubs. Whoopdedoo, we may win the carling cup. If we do win, I hope that henderson doesn't get a medal - I've contributed more than he has!


Ehh... we went through Chelsea and City on the way - neither of whom fielded weak sides. Also neither of whom "didn't give a toss about it".

Here are the last 10 finals:

Cardiff vs Liverpool
Arsenal vs Birmingham
Aston Villa vs Manchester United
Manchester United vs Tottenham
Chelsea vs Tottenham
Chelsea vs Arsenal
Manchester United vs Wigan
Liverpool vs Chelsea
Bolton vs Middlesbrough
Liverpool vs Manchester United

Out of those last 10 years, only once has there been a final without at least one big team, and on many occasions, 2 big teams. Compare this to the FA Cup:

Man City vs Stoke
Chelsea vs Portsmouth
Chelsea vs Everton
Portsmouth vs Cardiff
Chelsea vs Manchester United
Liverpool vs West Ham
Arsenal vs Manchester United
Manchester United vs Millwall
Arsenal vs Southampton
Arsenal vs Chelsea

It's clear to see that not only is there not much difference in the 'status' of teams in the finals of either cup over the last 10 years, but there are actually more 'smaller' teams in the finals of the FA Cup than the Carling Cup, so I think that's proof enough that you're talking complete and utter garbage.

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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Originally Posted By: CarheeX
2 footballing giants come to head to head in 2012 to contest the cup final.....but first, it's liverpool vs cardiff scrapping over a tinpot that most other teams couldn't give a t0ss about, hence the regular presence of smaller clubs. Whoopdedoo, we may win the carling cup. If we do win, I hope that henderson doesn't get a medal - I've contributed more than he has!


Ehh... we went through Chelsea and City on the way - neither of whom fielded weak sides. Also neither of whom "didn't give a toss about it".

Here are the last 10 finals:

Cardiff vs Liverpool
Arsenal vs Birmingham
Aston Villa vs Manchester United
Manchester United vs Tottenham
Chelsea vs Tottenham
Chelsea vs Arsenal
Manchester United vs Wigan
Liverpool vs Chelsea
Bolton vs Middlesbrough
Liverpool vs Manchester United

Out of those last 10 years, only once has there been a final without at least one big team, and on many occasions, 2 big teams. Compare this to the FA Cup:

Man City vs Stoke
Chelsea vs Portsmouth
Chelsea vs Everton
Portsmouth vs Cardiff
Chelsea vs Manchester United
Liverpool vs West Ham
Arsenal vs Manchester United
Manchester United vs Millwall
Arsenal vs Southampton
Arsenal vs Chelsea

It's clear to see that not only is there not much difference in the 'status' of teams in the finals of either cup over the last 10 years, but there are actually more 'smaller' teams in the finals of the FA Cup than the Carling Cup, so I think that's proof enough that you're talking complete and utter garbage.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Faz is right on your deathbed you won't remember getting 4th place. BUT......

Had we not got 4th place in the 2003 / 4 season then there would have been NO Istanbul. Well all right there would have been but we would not have been there.

Remember that.....


That's a very good point Stanley. However, us qualifying for it isn't anywhere near a guarantee that we'll win it the following season - that's a massive rarity. You're right though - you have to be in it to win it, but we're in a Cup Final now, and for people to say they'd rather not be in it is beyond ridiculous.



I know but if you remember in 2005 we were rank outsiders in fact that year we did not qualify for the champions league. Also many low ranked clubs (Porto) have won the champions league. I think there are few of us out there who would rather win the Carling Cup or FA Cup than champions league.


Yeah, COMPLETE outsiders, yet we did it - but let's be honest - the miracle that was 2005 and in particular Istanbul is a complete once in a lifetime thing, and not something likely to magically happen again once we qualify for the CL (not that it's impossible or anything). We finished 5th in the league that season and only qualified the following year through the fact that we were reigning champions.

If you're asking which I'd rather win between the Carling Cup FA Cup and Champions League then the answer is obvious - the Champions League. I'm sure faz and anybody else for that matter would say the exact same thing. The problem is we're not talking about that, we're talking about the fact that we are actually IN a cup final. Yet we have people saying it's meaningless and one individual saying he'd actually rather us not be in it at all, which is lunacy.

For the record, at the start of the season I said thatif it came to a straight choice between a trophy and 4th place this season, I'd be torn, but would pick 4th, for the fact that I think it's more crucial to the path the club is going to take for the next few years. I also said that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why we can't get 4th AND win a trophy, and what's happened this season still reinforces that for me. We're 90 minutes away from accomplishing one aim, and after that we have another 13 league games to accomplish the other one. Even still though, qualification doesn't equal winning it.


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Yet, rather than either stick to his guns and argue his point or hold his hands up and say he may be wrong, the person it was aimed at chooses to ignore it and would rather post a smartarse reply aimed at faz. Speaks volumes.


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i hope u got his permission for that photo

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