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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
2 footballing giants come to head to head in 2012 to contest the cup final.....but first, it's liverpool vs cardiff scrapping over a tinpot that most other teams couldn't give a t0ss about, hence the regular presence of smaller clubs. Whoopdedoo, we may win the carling cup. If we do win, I hope that henderson doesn't get a medal - I've contributed more than he has!


Ehh... we went through Chelsea and City on the way - neither of whom fielded weak sides. Also neither of whom "didn't give a toss about it".

Here are the last 10 finals:

Cardiff vs Liverpool
Arsenal vs Birmingham
Aston Villa vs Manchester United
Manchester United vs Tottenham
Chelsea vs Tottenham
Chelsea vs Arsenal
Manchester United vs Wigan
Liverpool vs Chelsea
Bolton vs Middlesbrough
Liverpool vs Manchester United

Out of those last 10 years, only once has there been a final without at least one big team, and on many occasions, 2 big teams. Compare this to the FA Cup:

Man City vs Stoke
Chelsea vs Portsmouth
Chelsea vs Everton
Portsmouth vs Cardiff
Chelsea vs Manchester United
Liverpool vs West Ham
Arsenal vs Manchester United
Manchester United vs Millwall
Arsenal vs Southampton
Arsenal vs Chelsea

It's clear to see that not only is there not much difference in the 'status' of teams in the finals of either cup over the last 10 years, but there are actually more 'smaller' teams in the finals of the FA Cup than the Carling Cup, so I think that's proof enough that you're talking complete and utter garbage.


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Carheex - All the kids round your streets scoring goals and shouting 'Top corner! 4th is now guaranteed' -er NO! they dream of scoring winning goals at Wembley and lifting cups. Read autobiographies of any top player and they grew up dreaming of winning trophies.


Correction - they dream of winning the league and scoring champions league final goals. My boys and their friends don't mention the carling or fa cups and that isn't down to me. They just aren't what people want to see these days - if they were, the sponsorship and prize funds would be a lot higher than they are.

As for the autobiographies of top players - what has that got to do with anything? I want our club in the CL for 'my' enjoyment and to enable the club to progress. Whether Jordan Henderson or anyone else is happy with their cup medals is no concern of mine. These players biographies will change soon enough though - the current generation of players grew up around the FA cup so there will be an attachment. Since the emergence and expansion of the european competition players will soon be writing about their CL exploits a lot more than a 3rd round fa cup tie against wycombe. Trust me.


winning the Carling cup and/or the FA Cup are markers of where we are now. Not where we want to be or stay, this is not our ceiling but more of a platform to better things. 80% of success is ability and 20% is belief, I look at UTD and I see a decent to average side yet they are powering away in the league. Very much like what we did in the 80's, all because they have the nous for winning.
I don't discount your views on attracting the best players in fact I agree but if the team is to bond and improve as it is then trophies are required. In 2001 we bumbled along in the league but did well in the cups, once we won the Carling cup the team had the appetite for more and we acheived 3 cups and champs league place - mainly because we were high on winning and felt we could not lose. That is what we need this season. Fans also need to share in the success, after the Hicks/Gillete years we once again need to be proud of our club and winning the Carling Cup on sunday will go someway to achieving that.

I will be there and be as proud as ever to hopefully see the buys celebarting as winners once again. Winning is infectious


+1. The voice of sanity and sound logic as usual.


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We lived in the radcliff estate before it got knocked down, if you remember that place faz
i remember that horrible estate , but my family moved to fazak when i was 1

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Originally Posted By: fazakerley red 1
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Faz you're a bit out of line. It's not a SHAMEFUL attitude. It's possibly misguided, possibly not, but it's an attitude that some fans have. Nothing shameful about it.
of course its shameful for liverpool supporters to dismiss liverpool possibly winning a cup or two , what would these people rather have the carling cup or another nothing barren season.


I agree with faz here completely. Do people realise that if we don't win a trophy this season then it would be Liverpool Football Club's longest trophy drought in over 40 years? That's unthinkable. The club is built on success, and success is built on trophies. In 20 years when you look back on the club's honour roll, finishing 4th won't be on there.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Faz is right on your deathbed you won't remember getting 4th place. BUT......

Had we not got 4th place in the 2003 / 4 season then there would have been NO Istanbul. Well all right there would have been but we would not have been there.

Remember that.....


That's a very good point Stanley. However, us qualifying for it isn't anywhere near a guarantee that we'll win it the following season - that's a massive rarity. You're right though - you have to be in it to win it, but we're in a Cup Final now, and for people to say they'd rather not be in it is beyond ridiculous.


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Faz you're a bit out of line. It's not a SHAMEFUL attitude. It's possibly misguided, possibly not, but it's an attitude that some fans have. Nothing shameful about it.
of course its shameful for liverpool supporters to dismiss liverpool possibly winning a cup or two , what would these people rather have the carling cup or another nothing barren season.


I agree with faz here completely. Do people realise that if we don't win a trophy this season then it would be Liverpool Football Club's longest trophy drought in over 40 years? That's unthinkable. The club is built on success, and success is built on trophies. In 20 years when you look back on the club's honour roll, finishing 4th won't be on there.
spot on bar just unbelievable the mindset of some , plus you look at the english teams in the CL england's two best teams knocked out easy so how do people think liverpool will just waltz into the CL with a manager with little or no european experience i dont know , let enjoy the cups one big final sun day hope for another in may.

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Originally Posted By: northliverpool
Listen before you get on your high horse, dont be getting offended, all I am saying is there is simply no way I can get my head around anyone wanting to support another city's or Town Clubs when they have perfectly good ones on there doorstep, IT's just something I simply dont understand and like I said I dont want to upset anyone as it's not my intention in thsi case.


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If everyone followed your logic then 'your local club' wouldn't be able to afford to buy players for millions and pay their wages, let me tell you. How shortsighted you are.


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Doesn't matter to him, because LFC's success isn't of any interest.

Moaning about old times does matter though!

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I simply cannot wait! This will be one hell of a slow weak


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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Faz is right on your deathbed you won't remember getting 4th place. BUT......

Had we not got 4th place in the 2003 / 4 season then there would have been NO Istanbul. Well all right there would have been but we would not have been there.

Remember that.....


That's a very good point Stanley. However, us qualifying for it isn't anywhere near a guarantee that we'll win it the following season - that's a massive rarity. You're right though - you have to be in it to win it, but we're in a Cup Final now, and for people to say they'd rather not be in it is beyond ridiculous.



I know but if you remember in 2005 we were rank outsiders in fact that year we did not qualify for the champions league. Also many low ranked clubs (Porto) have won the champions league. I think there are few of us out there who would rather win the Carling Cup or FA Cup than champions league.


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