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Money has runied the balance. Europe has become as top heavy as the EPL. Look at the state of Scotish and even Dutch football. I would love to see a more balanced EPL where a team like Blackburn could win the league as they did under KK in 1995. I would love to see a more balanced Europe where a team like Ajax could win Europe as they did in 1995. That was that long ago in years but in football its been an eternity. Things ahve changed so much and I wonder if it has reached a point of no return.
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Its becoming a crappy league though. just don't get the excitement as we used top get from the EPL 4-5 years ago. I think that's more to do with our current position than the actual quality of the league though. Top 4 battles are great and relegation battles can be great....but neither are any of our business at the moment. Who gets excited by midtable sides?? Nope, the top four battle is still boring to me. That's because it has nothing do with us. Not really mate, thats what you want to believe. EPL standard has slipped down even if we make 4th place this year, I will still say English league has been tedious and lost its standards.
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I'm not sure our league can be seen as weak compared to the other main european nations. Look at the champions league for the last 10 years:
Portugal = 1 finalist in last 10 years
France = 1 finalist in last 10 years
Germany = 2 finalists in last 10 years
Spain = 4 finalists in last 10 years
Italy = 5 finalists in last 10 years
England = 7 finalists in last 10 years
The majority of our finalists have come more recently as well which shows that our league is the strongest perhaps? And despite people constantly slating Serie A it's obviously a bit stronger than some are giving it credit for. 10 years is an eternity in football though. Just look at us. We went from being sh!t, to being the best team in Europe, back to being sh!t again. That's obviously an exaggeration, but things do change quickly. I think the point of this thread is basically that the Premier League and the teams within it have regressed over the last 5 years or so. I would say the league reached its peak in about 2007-2009, and has fallen off ever since. And I think that's a very good and salient point. The top clubs in England are at a fairly low ebb right now. We are still recovering from being brought to the brink of ruin, Chelsea and United are having difficulty replacing the old guard, and Arsenal's progression is being stunted by their manager. Only City and Spurs can be considered to be at a high point, and only City is built for long-term success. I can't see Spurs sustaining their current level for too much longer unless they break into Asian and African markets, which are already dominated/saturated by the original Sky 4. So I guess what I'm saying is, yes things look bad at the moment, but I think they'll get better. United's young signings will mature and improve. Jones, Smalling, Cleverly, etc. have all shown flashes this season. Chelsea will eventually replace Lampard, Terry, and Drogba. Romeu, Cahill, and Lukaku are good places to start. Arsenal's investment in youth will eventually pay off. Wilshere, Ramsey, and Chamberlain already look the real deal. And we have been on an upward trajectory for about a year now. All is not lost. Are you sure???!?! We had an upward trajectory between Jan-June last year; thanks to a weight being lifted from the club when hicks/gillet buggered off. Plus a new manager often results in a temporary lift for a few months, no matter who it is. It;s been very much downhill since then though - in the last 12 months the bad has far outweighed the good I'm afraid. Of all the so-called big clubs, we are the only ones who look a million miles away from being competitive.
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I'm not sure our league can be seen as weak compared to the other main european nations. Look at the champions league for the last 10 years:
Portugal = 1 finalist in last 10 years
France = 1 finalist in last 10 years
Germany = 2 finalists in last 10 years
Spain = 4 finalists in last 10 years
Italy = 5 finalists in last 10 years
England = 7 finalists in last 10 years
The majority of our finalists have come more recently as well which shows that our league is the strongest perhaps? And despite people constantly slating Serie A it's obviously a bit stronger than some are giving it credit for. 10 years is an eternity in football though. Just look at us. We went from being sh!t, to being the best team in Europe, back to being sh!t again. That's obviously an exaggeration, but things do change quickly. I think the point of this thread is basically that the Premier League and the teams within it have regressed over the last 5 years or so. I would say the league reached its peak in about 2007-2009, and has fallen off ever since. And I think that's a very good and salient point. The top clubs in England are at a fairly low ebb right now. We are still recovering from being brought to the brink of ruin, Chelsea and United are having difficulty replacing the old guard, and Arsenal's progression is being stunted by their manager. Only City and Spurs can be considered to be at a high point, and only City is built for long-term success. I can't see Spurs sustaining their current level for too much longer unless they break into Asian and African markets, which are already dominated/saturated by the original Sky 4. So I guess what I'm saying is, yes things look bad at the moment, but I think they'll get better. United's young signings will mature and improve. Jones, Smalling, Cleverly, etc. have all shown flashes this season. Chelsea will eventually replace Lampard, Terry, and Drogba. Romeu, Cahill, and Lukaku are good places to start. Arsenal's investment in youth will eventually pay off. Wilshere, Ramsey, and Chamberlain already look the real deal. And we have been on an upward trajectory for about a year now. All is not lost. Are you sure???!?! We had an upward trajectory between Jan-June last year; thanks to a weight being lifted from the club when hicks/gillet buggered off. Plus a new manager often results in a temporary lift for a few months, no matter who it is. It;s been very much downhill since then though - in the last 12 months the bad has far outweighed the good I'm afraid. Of all the so-called big clubs, we are the only ones who look a million miles away from being competitive. Im talking about the whole league in general, what the hell don't you understand.
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It's not money it's just the fact the top quality players in the premier league have been split into a group of 6 teams rather than just the top 4 teams.
Usually utd would have a Modric and better fwd and a top gk.
We'd have a finisher and a the solo creative flair player who are both very consistent.
Arsenal would have a play maker and more expereince cbs
Chelsea would effectively have a world class cb, cm, winger, and 2 world class fwds
Instead city have nicked 2 world class cm's, 1 worldie cb and another worldie fwd and gk.
Spurs have the 2 cm's, 1 winger and a few squad players that would be at the likes of chelsea.
Newcastle have 1 top fwd, and 2 top cms,
if you look at whats required from the old top 4 and what the other 3 new teams have got it's a perfect match more or less of what the old 4 clubs are missing.
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Upcoming world class players IMO for 2014 WORLD CUP:
K-P Boateng, Gotze, Sturridge, Kroos, Lucas Leiva, Hummels, Kyriakos Papadopoulos,
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Money has runied the balance. Europe has become as top heavy as the EPL. Look at the state of Scotish and even Dutch football. I would love to see a more balanced EPL where a team like Blackburn could win the league as they did under KK in 1995. I would love to see a more balanced Europe where a team like Ajax could win Europe as they did in 1995. That was that long ago in years but in football its been an eternity. Things ahve changed so much and I wonder if it has reached a point of no return. Something will happen to liven the game up. Probably end up with a European League and no Premier League here. At least here the football is competitive between teams although Man City are trying their best to ruin that. The other option is that you have a two team league in Scotland and at the other end of the ability ladder you still have a two team league in Spain again. On your comment on Blackburn you are probably unaware that they spent their way to the top on much the same level as Citeh did and were playing in the third tier in England not all that long ago. As were City. So you ARE seeing a more balanced EPL because without that huge injection of money City would not be top 10 and neither would Chelsea. Ajax were brilliant back in the early 70's too. But it all comes down to money. And its about time we fans said enough is enough and stopped paying £45 a game so that x y and z can walk off into the sunset with £100k a week. Basically it costs 10% of the average weekly wage to watch players who earn in a week what it takes the average guy 3 and a half years to achieve. And he is busting his balls every day to do it. At the end of the day it may be the second level of player playing here but at least we can thenm demand they don't get paid top dollar.
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It's not money it's just the fact the top quality players in the premier league have been split into a group of 6 teams rather than just the top 4 teams.
Usually utd would have a Modric and better fwd and a top gk.
We'd have a finisher and a the solo creative flair player who are both very consistent.
Arsenal would have a play maker and more expereince cbs
Chelsea would effectively have a world class cb, cm, winger, and 2 world class fwds
Instead city have nicked 2 world class cm's, 1 worldie cb and another worldie fwd and gk.
Spurs have the 2 cm's, 1 winger and a few squad players that would be at the likes of chelsea.
Newcastle have 1 top fwd, and 2 top cms,
if you look at whats required from the old top 4 and what the other 3 new teams have got it's a perfect match more or less of what the old 4 clubs are missing. I like to think that.... Man U all got old together and are in rebuilding phase again only with less ability in the 28-32 age range and no keeper. Chelsea bought their team ages ago and they all aged together and are in decline. The management team has changed too many times for it to possibly be a continued success. Arsenal due to wages have been systematically raped by other teams. Flamini left for nothing as did Senderos. These were first team players. Adebayor, Clichy, Nasri, Fabregas, Kolo Toure all swayed by teams offering more. Spurs, most of their signings were brought in of an age to gel together and improve as a unit. Bentley at £15m was a big [oops] up but when you do what they have done with what are not top drawer signings you have to take your hat off to them. Where are we? I haven't a clue .
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