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#189916 12/02/12 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Evra played him? Yes. Is Evra a pr!ck? Yes. Does Suarez look like a fool? Yes. Does King Kenny? Yes. Does LFC? Yes.

I can happily agree that what Suarez did was right for Suarez, but can anyone please explain to me how what Suarez did was right for the club? Because Suarez is not bigger than the club, but our name is being dragged through the mud again because of him. People might have sided with LFC over the FA hearing, but the non-handshake would make neutrals doubt.

All he had to do was put on a show of putting his hand out there, and waiting for Evra to take it or not. He couldn't do that, so he set himself up to look like a petty fool. It's not rocket surgery, guys - Evra called his bluff and won.

Worse, Kenny didn't watch the handshake, and no one told him what happened, so he had egg all over his face during the post-match interview. Say whatever disgusting things you like about Evra's character (and I'll be the first to agree with you), but this was an opportunity to show we really had moved on from the FA assassinating the character of our club and our star player. Yet we fcked it up, allowing the media the opportunity to have a full go at us again.

I don't know how much readership the Telegraph has but THIS got a lot more views than you would like, and if you go through the comments there are not a lot of people saying Evra pulled a fast one. That is why I say they outplayed us off the pitch - the FA just got the biggest admission of guilt they could have hoped for, straight from the horse's mouth in front of millions of viewers.

All he had to do was put his hand there and wait, exactly the way his manager said he would. But instead we took the bait; hook, line, and sinker.


Totally agree and this was exactly what I meant earliar, its not about Suarez or Evra or whatever its about the bigger picture, the club is getting harmed because of this but hey thundyr, we're the ones following the media it seems... yawn


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Suarez and Kenny have played right into the hands of the media circus. The hand wringers have decided that LFC is the the new home of the KKK, and we look stupid at best.

The pr1ck ferguson is loving every moment of this. He knew we would be on the up after Kenny's return, he knew that Suarez was a player that could seriously help us get back to the very top. He has played us for cuntz and we have happily obliged.

LFC has been destabilised, off the field issues are the only thing we are mentioned for. The only way forward now is to sell Luis, which is exactly what they wanted in the first place.

Disgusted with the whole situation.

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I could agree with some of your points Thundyr however sometimes its difficult to be told now you have served your ban and been branded a racist and will be forever abused wherever you go you now must face a very lonely humiliation in front of millions just to show how right we were and how wrong you were,if he was able to for all the correct reasons feel at peace with himself and shake hands on it then great but he obviously doesn't,now if that's wrong,that's fine but others IE FA,Fergie with minds games and more so the likes of Ferdinand feels that they have to disagree with Suarez for their own inner, rightful reasons then why should they be allowed that but Suarez not? i mean what the hell did Suarez's decision have to do with Rio? absolutely nothing,he should be punished for not shaking Suarez's hand. Again whats good for the goose should be good for the gander. The only way this will be solved is if the whole lot come out and say they made mistakes and we all need to look at ourselves, countries take this option all the time on political matters, it called saving face. I dont envy the investigation there are so many at fault here not just Suarez and the club, but will they all be "MAN" enough to admit it? i fear not.

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As I said, Lain, I can happily agree that had Suarez chosen to not shake Evra's hand he could be excused for being upset about the entire affair. So he did what was good for Suarez. I have no problem with that.

But *this* game, *this* handshake, with the eyes of the world already judging your every move, after Dalglish said you would shake? Nah, you've got to see the bigger picture and swallow your pride for a few seconds.

It would seem that Evra baulked him - pulled his hand back, and then made a show of being seen to be skipped. No one who is not an LFC supporter will analyse it. Saurez needed to make his actions clear, not avoid the issue at the slightest hint of resistance. Our whole argument is that there was nothing in the racism charge. The non-handshake suggests there was.

You can't do sh!t like that and get away with it in this modern, politically correct world. Shankly would not have stood for it, and he'd be in just as much hot water as Kenny is now. None of us like what is happening, but this is the reward of democracy - what the average fool with no ability to think for himself says is what happens. Right now, that person thinks LFC is a radical and racist organization that rails against the establishment. Avoiding touching the hand of a black man is the last thing we should be seen to be doing.

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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Avoiding touching the hand of a black man is the last thing we should be seen to be doing.


There you go - no justice or reason just fear of the politically correct

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Originally Posted By: Armitage
Originally Posted By: thundyr
Avoiding touching the hand of a black man is the last thing we should be seen to be doing.


There you go - no justice or reason just fear of the politically correct


Can you show me a place in the first world where this is not true?

It doesn't make it right, it just makes it what it is.

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#189947 12/02/12 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: thundyr
As I said, Lain, I can happily agree that had Suarez chosen to not shake Evra's hand he could be excused for being upset about the entire affair. So he did what was good for Suarez. I have no problem with that.

Avoiding touching the hand of a black man is the last thing we should be seen to be doing.


Absolutely be ultra ultra careful in that situation if your white. But is that being non racist or is it a hidden form of racism driven by the race industry? Why can't we all be completely equal in every way and that must include the bad and good bits. Evra and Suarez are two blokes who don't like one another thats it. Instead we have this situation bordering on mental illness where every dispute has a racial element or if there is not one they will find one. Throwing bananas at John Barnes making monkey noises at the black england players in eastern europe THAT'S racism. The stuff in the UK people need to grow up. I hear today there is now going to be a UK government meeting you have to laugh or you would cry.


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I cant say that the non hand shake was racially motivated because in all fairness i just dont know, like i dont know what Suarez promised Kenny, if he defied kenny there he must be punished.I dont think everyone will want to be part of the politically correct wether we like it or not. its a huge genie that cant be put back in its bottle.


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OK then so I can go out and murder someone because hey lifes not fair and judicial systems are not perfect. But as long as I am not perceived to be rude to a guy with a chip on his shoulder its ok

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Totaly disagree here.Hansen is a reds legend and ive always admired him and respected greatly his knowledge on lfc and all football.
however,im rather disgusted at hansen for his comments on motd last night.
Instead of stating how much ferguson was out of order eith his comments about telling lfc they should sell suarez he took the easy option to wrongly slate suarez.IMO he done so on the back of his own recent controversial comments and wanted to fall in line on this one to avoid controversy.
Bad showing by hansen.

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