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I thought United were only average today but average is still enough when your playing a p*ss poor team who lie seventh in the League. It had to be one of the most one sided United Liverpool games for years and looked men against boys for long periods, dont for one minute think a 2 - 1 scoreline meant the game was close because it was'nt United were comfortable throughout. I think the goals summed up the day a bit really of how both Clubs approach a game, after the trouble in the tunnel at half time both teams came out for the second half, United straight away switched to focus on football and retaining the League title while Liverpool started like a bag of s*ite still worked up and rattled because of half time and within 10 mins found ourselves 2 down because we were no where near focussed on the job in hand. funny because i saw manure hanging on at the end.(manure is united to you).i supose you hope that they can make a push for the title now after that awsome display? theres a rat in the kitchen. G. Neville is on the Food Channel now?
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I thought United were only average today but average is still enough when your playing a p*ss poor team who lie seventh in the League. It had to be one of the most one sided United Liverpool games for years and looked men against boys for long periods, dont for one minute think a 2 - 1 scoreline meant the game was close because it was'nt United were comfortable throughout. I think the goals summed up the day a bit really of how both Clubs approach a game, after the trouble in the tunnel at half time both teams came out for the second half, United straight away switched to focus on football and retaining the League title while Liverpool started like a bag of s*ite still worked up and rattled because of half time and within 10 mins found ourselves 2 down because we were no where near focussed on the job in hand. funny because i saw manure hanging on at the end.(manure is united to you).i supose you hope that they can make a push for the title now after that awsome display? theres a rat in the kitchen. Hanging on? you mean the two 40 yard balls we launched into there box from our own half, come on there was no onslaught from us when we went a goal behind, the pace never even really quickend, United were able to close down time quite comfortably.
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Utd sat deep last 10 minutes or so and we had the odd chance. But we were never really in the game. Anyone who thinks that was a strong Liverpool performance needs their head examining. Still it was not the first time this year.
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Kenny got his team wrong in my opinion, the three subs that came on Adam, Carroll and Bells should of started the game. Then we play this 5 midfield thing that we shouldn't be playing. We were 4 points behind champions league and could of ended up 7 points but we are lucky results went a little bit our way with an assist from the neighbours and spurs. We should of went and attacked them because we had nothing to lose, I don't know why Kenny went about that plan but it really baffles me. Utterly disapointed because you can see the scum are very vulnerable when we attacked them last few minutes with their dodgy keeper and defence.
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Thundyr's analysis was pretty spot on for me, although I thought Johnson was as bad as anyone else.
Kelly should be at RB and Johnson right wing until the end of the season and then ship him out unless he turns into a quality winger which I doubt. Downing appears to have fallen apart after failing to adapt to the 'big club' change in mentality. If this is the reason rather than complete loss of form, he will have to be another shown the door at the end of the season at a huge loss.
It is a paceless team in a game that is virtually all about pace and the ability to control the ball at the same time. We cannot counter against anyone of quality when defenders and midfielders are back in position before the ball leaves your own half. The early season promise of precise passing in the triangles of old appear to have completely gone by the way side and now it is turning far too often to punt and hope. No other side who currently hold 1-5 in the league play that way for good reason.
I will however not accept that Kenny cannot see, nor be able to rectify the situation in what he saw today, but he appears to definitely be struggling to adapt in the job to the changes since he was last manager of a club in the EPL.
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well he had better wise up soon or Johnny H will be coming for him
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Thundyr's analysis was pretty spot on for me, although I thought Johnson was as bad as anyone else.
Kelly should be at RB and Johnson right wing until the end of the season and then ship him out unless he turns into a quality winger which I doubt. Downing appears to have fallen apart after failing to adapt to the 'big club' change in mentality. If this is the reason rather than complete loss of form, he will have to be another shown the door at the end of the season at a huge loss.
It is a paceless team in a game that is virtually all about pace and the ability to control the ball at the same time. We cannot counter against anyone of quality when defenders and midfielders are back in position before the ball leaves your own half. The early season promise of precise passing in the triangles of old appear to have completely gone by the way side and now it is turning far too often to punt and hope. No other side who currently hold 1-5 in the league play that way for good reason.
I will however not accept that Kenny cannot see, nor be able to rectify the situation in what he saw today, but he appears to definitely be struggling to adapt in the job to the changes since he was last manager of a club in the EPL.
I agree about Johnson. Dodgy defending from him didn't help a lot when Manure scored both their goals. Seems he doesn't understand about defensive positioning at all. Always on the wrong side of the opponent. This is a skill that I teach the defenders in my son's B14 team atm. Baffles me that an England international like Glen hasn't picked that one up yet!
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Thundyr's analysis was pretty spot on for me, although I thought Johnson was as bad as anyone else.
Kelly should be at RB and Johnson right wing until the end of the season and then ship him out unless he turns into a quality winger which I doubt. Downing appears to have fallen apart after failing to adapt to the 'big club' change in mentality. If this is the reason rather than complete loss of form, he will have to be another shown the door at the end of the season at a huge loss.
It is a paceless team in a game that is virtually all about pace and the ability to control the ball at the same time. We cannot counter against anyone of quality when defenders and midfielders are back in position before the ball leaves your own half. The early season promise of precise passing in the triangles of old appear to have completely gone by the way side and now it is turning far too often to punt and hope. No other side who currently hold 1-5 in the league play that way for good reason.
I will however not accept that Kenny cannot see, nor be able to rectify the situation in what he saw today, but he appears to definitely be struggling to adapt in the job to the changes since he was last manager of a club in the EPL.
I agree about Johnson. Dodgy defending from him didn't help a lot when Manure scored both their goals. Seems he doesn't understand about defensive positioning at all. Always on the wrong side of the opponent. This is a skill that I teach the defenders in my son's B14 team atm. Baffles me that an England international like Glen hasn't picked that one up yet! can't blame johnson for spearing turning it over straight to them ... he was moving up field already
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Look at the first goal Utd had a corner where LFC were man-man marking. Johnson had Rooney (why the hell did we put our weakest defender against their N:o ace?) but as the ball was getting closer to the goal Johnson lost Rooney and stared at the ball. The rest is history. Wrong position when Rooney scored the goal! Rooney is between Johnson and the ball! Wrong wrong wrong!
Second goal: Spearing misses a simple pass, but Johnson again has got his positioning wrong. He is not between our goal and Rooney, but at least 5-10 yards too high up and around 5 yards too far out right. When the ball reaches Rooney you can see this clearly.
To Johnson's defence I can add that he had no idea that Spearing would miss that pass. If that hadn't happened then Johnson's bad positioning wouldn't have got found out.
But these 2 mistakes highlights the problem with Johnson: He isn't a natural defender, but a right winger (inverted too, since he always cuts in and never reaches the byline). I don't think we can afford playing with such a bad defender. Maybe against the weaker sides in general or at home when teams tend not to push us that hard up the pitch.
Johnson does have great technical skills, but he needs to get a far better positional knowhow!
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Look at the first goal Utd had a corner where LFC were man-man marking. Johnson had Rooney (why the hell did we put our weakest defender against their N:o ace?) but as the ball was getting closer to the goal Johnson lost Rooney and stared at the ball. The rest is history. Wrong position when Rooney scored the goal! Rooney is between Johnson and the ball! Wrong wrong wrong!
Second goal: Spearing misses a simple pass, but Johnson again has got his positioning wrong. He is not between our goal and Rooney, but at least 5-10 yards too high up and around 5 yards too far out right. When the ball reaches Rooney you can see this clearly.
To Johnson's defence I can add that he had no idea that Spearing would miss that pass. If that hadn't happened then Johnson's bad positioning wouldn't have got found out.
But these 2 mistakes highlights the problem with Johnson: He isn't a natural defender, but a right winger (inverted too, since he always cuts in and never reaches the byline). I don't think we can afford playing with such a bad defender. Maybe against the weaker sides in general or at home when teams tend not to push us that hard up the pitch.
Johnson does have great technical skills, but he needs to get a far better positional knowhow! liverpool didnt get beat at man utd because of glen johnson , they got beat comfortably because of bad selection, bad tactics and a bad attitude simple as that 1 win in 6 is showing up dalglish's and the teams flaws badly .
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