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Originally Posted By: AvailableOnAFree
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the last thing i would want to watch is one of our players and our manager bow down to anyone.Suarez stood up for what he feels is right and Dalglish will stand by him.its called support.
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Except that the thing that Suarez has stood up for is being a petulant child, which is patently wrong and not something I want this club being associated with. Dalglish's support just makes it seem like the blind leading the blind. I'd rather have a manager that can be honest with himself and recognize when his players are out of order than one who thinks everything the players do is fine and dandy.
is this you saying or fergie...


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Originally Posted By: kernowred
the last thing i would want to watch is one of our players and our manager bow down to anyone.Suarez stood up for what he feels is right and Dalglish will stand by him.its called support.
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Except that the thing that Suarez has stood up for is being a petulant child, which is patently wrong and not something I want this club being associated with. Dalglish's support just makes it seem like the blind leading the blind. I'd rather have a manager that can be honest with himself and recognize when his players are out of order than one who thinks everything the players do is fine and dandy.
is this you saying or fergie...


Fergie is spot on here in my opinion. What exactly has he said that so offends you? Here are some excerpts:

"Patrice told me this morning, 'I'm going to shake his hand, I've nothing to be ashamed of.' But then Suarez refuses. He's a disgrace to Liverpool Football Club."

Evra was willing to let the issue rest. Suarez instead ensured that it would be dragged on and on. His actions were childish and stupid. Things like that give the club a bad name, which is the very definition of the word "disgrace."

"[T]he history that club's got, and he does that. In a situation like today he could have caused a riot."

Again, spot on. Our club has such a magnificent history with so many dignified players. John Barnes is a perfect example. Despite the horrible abuse that he received, he played on and was one of our best ever players. He never really kicked up a fuss about anything. He kept his head down and carried on. Meanwhile, Suarez is pulling this cr@p. Fergie is absolutely right, we're lucky that there doesn't appear to have been any fan-related violence during or after the game. Things like that can really get a crowd riled up.

"I was really disappointed in that guy, it was terrible what he did. It created tension, you saw the referee, he didn't know what to do about it. It caught him off guard."

I'm disappointed in Suarez too. I honestly expected him to be the bigger person and shake Evra's hand but I guess that's asking too much of dear Luis. I was caught off guard as well when I saw it, and my immediate reaction was pure shock. Followed shortly by disappointment.

"Racism is an important issue. Football has come a long way from the days of John Barnes having bananas thrown at him. We can't go back, we have to go forward and ban it altogether."

Again, nothing controversial here. Racism was a massive problem years ago but things have improved remarkably since then. It's a blight on the game and should be completely eradicated. It has no place in football or society.

As a whole, I honestly don't see anything there to disagree with. Ferguson can be a complete hypocrite at times but this was a very level-headed assessment. He never absolved Evra of guilt. In fact, when a reporter told him about Evra's post-match antics (which Ferguson did not see) he said "He shouldn't have done that."


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Avaiable on a free very good post and I completely agree with you.


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Originally Posted By: Stiggy
Fergie didnt condone evras actions at the end.


He didnt condemn Ferdinands either! (refusal to shake Suarez's hand)


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he should be laughed at and ignored like what was done to Evra, great for Suarez to get under both their skins.
was it i dont think so what did suarez do nothing played poorly cause trouble and has been unprofessional cant believe you think thats good , liverpool comfortably beaten today and it started with the bad attitude from suarez he should have been bigger than evra and more professional instead of being nasty and petty .

If I felt there was an injustice against me, I for sure wouldn't be shaking the guy's hand.

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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
No - not quite - it's clever but flawed. Fergie is wily - but you have to see through his politicising.

First - he didn't condone Evra's antics at the end - but he cleverly deferred the blame to Suarez and the non handshake. He also cleverly brings in John Barnes because pumps up his sense of self-righteousness and is not easy to challenge. He's also trying to make this a reductive "black and white" issue - which is racial profiling, This case is more complex than that - and feeding into that sense of reductive reasoning actually just serves to heighten racism. He's also not in the moral position to be telling our club what to do - who we should sell, etc. By forcing (and the FA are listening) the claim that Suarez is too bad for the English league, he also drives down the selling price and effectively suggests the scenario where he is sold abroad (for less money to a non-rival). This is not only self-seeking but character assassination. Just remember, Evra was in Fergie's office when he decided to press the charges in the first place, based on a false claim that Suarez called him a N***r 20 times. If racism is an important issue then we have to try to understand all forms of it, EVEN pertaining to South American players! The FA banning Suarez for slurs but letting Evra off for slurs set this whole thing up. If Fergie were truly against racism he'd argue for parity, equality, and equity in all cases. Fergie is simply politicising this issue for more gain and trying to manipulate the press. I'm surprised that he's duped you too!


He dis condem Evra he said his was back in the ground so did not see then when the commentator explained he said no he should not have done that. Clear as day look at the interview.


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Fergie wants to tell LFC to run the club and that Suarez is such a disgrace he should never play for the club again. Fergie has a very short memory...

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Schmeichel accused of racial abuse by Ian Wright

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Then there was also Rio Ferdinand skipping the drug test.

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if suarez was offerd to manu ferguson would snatch our hand off two faced t***

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wether you agree with Fergusons opinion or not is not the point.we are not a person in the public eye that has a platform such as sky sports to air our views.my point is that he should keep his opinions to his self.what liverpool do as a club with their players has nothing to do with him,although he likes to think so,what ferguson has to say doesnt matter to any other club other than his own.Suarez didnt break any rules today he just didnt shake hands with a man who has clear done him no good.
there are those people in the media,the press and the public who just agree with what-ever that idiot has to say.the headlines will be made up on the back of his words.and this will generate even more bad feeling towards suarez and liverpool fc.
if Saurez had shaken hands with evra today would the attitude of the crowd been any different?no.would the attitide of the manc scum players been any different?no.
just as a side note,stuart pearce said how sorry he was to paul ince for a racial remark towards ince many years ago.now that he has been put in temporary charge of the national team the press have dragged up all the stories again.saying sorry didnt do him any good it seems.so what good would have been done today if he had shaken evra's hand?

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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Fergie wants to tell LFC to run the club and that Suarez is such a disgrace he should never play for the club again. Fergie has a very short memory...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/526/wrightsch.jpg/
Schmeichel accused of racial abuse by Ian Wright

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Then there was also Rio Ferdinand skipping the drug test.

HYPOCRITE.

and how many managers came out to publicly say that Cuntona should have been thrown out of manchester united and that he is a discrace to the club?did the fans of man u boo him or did they hail him?

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