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people can have an opinion that is differnt from your own though.its true liverpool are a great team and club when it comes to playing the other big teams.but we have seen time and time again this season and a few others that we are poor against average teams. we ARE doing well in the cups,but we ARE crap in the league atm.thats not an opinion thats the way it is.big signings we have made arent paying off,and the tactics are questionable alot of the time.while we all sing kk's praise when he does well we also have to aknowlegde when he isnt.
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I think that it is important for people to note the dramatic tactical change between our last two games and those that ended with the defeat at Bolton. We went out to attack, and though we conceded in each game we scored at least as many as our opponents did. Importantly we pressured the ball carrier, and maintained our frantic pace for the full 90. We'll go places if we can keep that kind of intensity up for the rest of the season. It was also clear that Gerrard had much more licence to roam forward than before, even though Carra was so utterly anonymous I didn't even realize he was playing until about half an hour in. Downing should have produced a cutback to Gerrard unmarked on the penalty spot rather than crossing to no one at the far post to give us the lead midway through the second half, and there were several other times when Gerrard got into the box to cause trouble. I was also happy with the way Carroll played - he showed much greater intensity and had a few touches that suggested he is able to distribute the ball quickly when he has support. It was a vastly improved performance from everyone, and I was pleased too with Kelly's performance in keeping Giggs quiet.
I still have my reservations because Liverpool is always up for the big games, and these last 2 games cannot be described as anything other than "big". We've taken a step forward, now we need to make sure we don't revert to type and take two steps back. Giving Wolves a good hiding will give us a lot of momentum for the Spurs game, when Suarez returns.
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Therein Sahl lies our problem.
Yes of course you should get behind the team but what exactly does that mean? For me that means addressing the issues as well as supporting the team. There are two fault lines in our current support. On the one side we have the “away with the fairies types” who simply type king Kenny in every sentence thinking that makes them a supercharged fan. Here you are ignoring the issues or they are simply going over your head. Then there is the more seasoned fan who after the last two decades has all the fight knocked out of them. Here we get comments like we are no longer a top club let’s take what we can hence the ridiculous enthusiasm for the Carling cup. The way I view it is Liverpool FC is a premier club hugely successful in the past with a massive worldwide fan base. I am convinced with the squad Roy Hodgson left with say £30m spend wisely we could have comfortably challenged for 4th spot. Instead we spent £110m which should have given Liverpool a step change such that top 4 was a high probability rather than an aspiration. Certainly that’s what the owners would have expected. We have under achieved for our prime target the target we have to achieve if our clubs status and new ground is to be achieved. For me a true fan should be hammering away at that not giving up or going into la la land. Yes that does involve some patience but not blind faith.
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Therein Sahl lies our problem.
Yes of course you should get behind the team but what exactly does that mean? For me that means addressing the issues as well as supporting the team. There are two fault lines in our current support. On the one side we have the “away with the fairies types” who simply type king Kenny in every sentence thinking that makes them a supercharged fan. Here you are ignoring the issues or they are simply going over your head. Then there is the more seasoned fan who after the last two decades has all the fight knocked out of them. Here we get comments like we are no longer a top club let’s take what we can hence the ridiculous enthusiasm for the Carling cup. The way I view it is Liverpool FC is a premier club hugely successful in the past with a massive worldwide fan base. I am convinced with the squad Roy Hodgson left with say £30m spend wisely we could have comfortably challenged for 4th spot. Instead we spent £110m which should have given Liverpool a step change such that top 4 was a high probability rather than an aspiration. Certainly that’s what the owners would have expected. We have under achieved for our prime target the target we have to achieve if our clubs status and new ground is to be achieved. For me a true fan should be hammering away at that not giving up or going into la la land. Yes that does involve some patience but not blind faith. Stanley a thread dedicated to thanking an underperforming manager and fans pretending everything is how it should be, is just what I am trying to get over " A small Club mentality " Everton fans used get carried away like fans on here are like When Andy King done us in all those yeas ago, it's pityful and embarrassing. I dont mind it if fans want to go down that road but what I will take exception is, is when I say we are no longer a big Club, the posts on here prove it.
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Stanley a thread dedicated to thanking an underperforming manager and fans pretending everything is how it should be, is just what I am trying to get over " A small Club mentality " Everton fans used get carried away like fans on here are like When Andy King done us in all those yeas ago, it's pityful and embarrassing. I dont mind it if fans want to go down that road but what I will take exception is, is when I say we are no longer a big Club, the posts on here prove it. Where,come on,show us,or is this another one of your fantasies where you think we all thought Liverpool would win the league after we signed Aguero?
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Stanley a thread dedicated to thanking an underperforming manager and fans pretending everything is how it should be, is just what I am trying to get over " A small Club mentality " Everton fans used get carried away like fans on here are like When Andy King done us in all those yeas ago, it's pityful and embarrassing. I dont mind it if fans want to go down that road but what I will take exception is, is when I say we are no longer a big Club, the posts on here prove it. Where,come on,show us,or is this another one of your fantasies where you think we all thought Liverpool would win the league after we signed Aguero? I was one of those who said Aguero would'nt consider us in a million years actualy and would go to a bigger Club, I like to think I live in the real world or at least closer to the real world than most on here. I think Liverpool are a top six club at most, it's going to be nip and tuck from now to the end of the season with Newcastle to see who finishes seventh, we will win one week them the next, I think we will win the Carling Cup and as long as we stay away from Spurs have a good chance of the F.A.Cup too, this is wherer I think our Club is for the foreseeable future, thing is I honestly believe we could of had that anyway by just spending 30 or 40 million on the right players instead of 130 million and here lies the problem.
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That showed us,thanks Walter Mitty.
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from wednesday onwards liverpool have done great in the cups drawn one won one , but lets get it right one win in four which was united after dire dire performances against stoke city and bolton wanderers and good performance in the two cup matches , now the two cup matches doesnt make liverpool suddenly a good team yes in one off they can turn it on , but to be a real top side you need to be good the vast majority of the time and are liverpool are not no were near that as the 7th place in the league proves , now as i have stated i am truely made-up that we have had the chance to sort out going to wembley getting through in the F.A.Cup , but doing well in cup doesnt make liverpool a good side and yes enjoy it but this going over the top stuff is unbelievable .
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from wednesday onwards liverpool have done great in the cups drawn one won one , but lets get it right one win in four which was united after dire dire performances against stoke city and bolton wanderers and good performance in the two cup matches , now the two cup matches doesnt make liverpool suddenly a good team yes in one off they can turn it on , but to be a real top side you need to be good the vast majority of the time and are liverpool are not no were near that as the 7th place in the league proves , now as i have stated i am truely made-up that we have had the chance to sort out going to wembley getting through in the F.A.Cup , but doing well in cup doesnt make liverpool a good side and yes enjoy it but this going over the top stuff is unbelievable . I don't think anyone is going over the top with these results. Yes, everybody was happy yesterday when we got the job done and maybe some are still in a good mood because of that result but I am sure many fans including me are looking forward to the fa cup draw and seeing who we get and then getting the 3 points at wolves which is equally important as beating united. We shouldn't go from beating united to getting a draw or nothing against wolves, that will just unravel all the hard work done. The team needs to focus and get the 3 points which should help us move up the table.
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yea i think this is about evidence that this team can play together, downing and hendo can deliver in a red shirt, and carroll stepped up a bit more. more importantly, dalglish can go toe to toe with the top managers in PL and beat them.
what we have to hope for now is momentum. the more results we put together, the quicker those bad results are meaningless. We were at a cross roads after the bolton game and we have responded to KD's criticism as best we could.
we also have to believe, its what liverpool fans always do.
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