KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum We could still make 4th ours

We could have made it ours, a long time ago. We have had that many chances to take it and we haven't, simply because the players don't WANT it enough.

If they did, actions would speak louder than words. As it happens, we don't deserve to be in top 4, neither do Chelsea, neither do Arsenal.

Swansea or Newcastle deserve top 4, simply because they play in a way, because they WANT to challenge and be competitive in games against any side.

Until ALL of our players start pulling their weight and WANTING it, we will get it. Until then we will always be the same, dropping points to teams we should beat, drawing etc etc etc

It's the exact same under Houllier as under Benitez as under Hodgson as under Dalglish now.

Arguably we are better now than we was, under Hodgson, but the fact remains, we have dropped so many unnecessary points under all of the managers, it has cost us.

"Shoulda woulda coulda"

We SHOULD have won the league in 09 under Benitez, we COULD have beaten the teams, we should have been beating, instead of drawing and dropping points and we WOULD have won the league that year.

It's still the same now, isn't it?

Still think we should bring Torres back, he's a lot sharper than Carroll and a lot more willing. Regardlees of what's gone on in the past. He's getting closer and closer to scoring for Chelski,
once he get's that first one or two he''l be flying. if he was still he thwe drought would of ende ages ago.

..... this thread returns nearly as much as the transfer one.... ... think we've been saying the same thing for the last 3 years....

i think 4th is going to hard this season. i think where 6 points behind and chelsea look sharper than us even though they keep dropping points too...

4th place can be achieved, if only KD/comolli, go out and sign 3/4 for quality players,this month, even on loan deals, to improve the poor,average starting 11.

KD has to stick or twist with the team/players.

i think if the team gets to the final on wed, then players will not be signed, if we lose, i can see 4,5 players brought in.

You can't say we should have had more points because we drew/lost games that we should have won, because the same applies to all teams. The truth is, the only games that we 'should' have won are the ones that we 'did' win. I'm sick of hearing results getting blamed on the ref or the linesman...or 'because we hit the woodwork to often'!

I agree entitrely, Chelsea, Arsenal & Man Utd have lost games that on paper they should have won but didn't it's the nature of football.

If you do not perform on the day you can be beaten by the other team who wants it more simple.

I don't think we'd be killed in the Champions League

In fact I suspect we'd do rather well in it desoite the obvious defeciencies in our squad

However at the moment all we can do is speculate because whilst I don't think we'd embarass ourselves in the competition, this squad certainly isn't capable of getting into it

We can.

The fact is that if we want to be even challenging for top 4, we must be beating these teams. We SHOULD be beating these teams.

The fact is the players obviously don't WANT it enough, because if you did you would see that attitude, win, loose or draw. I don't know how many times I've said that.

There are games that we have won, where I don't think we have been that good. Should we have won those games on that account?

What I don't agree with...and agree with you on. Are the constant excuses given for not beating these teams, like the woodwork or the F*CKING REFEREE!!! (which really get's on my nerves, as you can see!)

I'd rather what Dalglish said after Bolton, be said at the start of the season. Because CERTAIN players have become far to comfortable. If not at the start of the season, at least after that 1st league semi-final at Man City. The players needed to be grounded, because they are getting far to ahead of themselves. Yes, it would be nice to win the Carling Cup, but it IS the Carling Cup...and by the looks of it we have thrown all of our eggs just in one basket, the wrong basket to throw them all in.

Teams challenging for 4th place have been so poor, dropping points, not playing particularly any good either. Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool. We should have capitalized on this and we haven't, absolutely f*cking miserably!

Yes I would agree craney, we can still make top 4 but we have let a few buses go past us I fear, and if we are going to make it we need a very different attitude from the players, in addition we need another striker even though Suarez will be back, Carroll looks as far from hitting form as he did at the start of the season and I would bench him, even if I had to rely on one of our youth players. There are two or three other players I'd bench as well and bring in the reserves they can't do any worse and they may well do much better. Being patient with players who are trying and giving 100% is fine by me, but not when they're just loafing about and acting the maggot, and that is all you could sat about many of them at present.