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Fuming after today's match.

What a shambles. I know our words on here are futile co it changes nothing but it's the only therapy I have.

I bite my tongue and avoid posting rants after each abject display cos I look for the positives but I am now totally fed-up.

It's just not good enough or acceptable. Like everybody else, I want KD to succeed just because of who he is and what he has done in the past but it does not look good.

The money spent has been substantially mis-spent.

There was no need to spend 35M on AC in that desperate last-gasp fashion. We wouldn't have been up in arms if we had just gone on with Suarez after we flogged FT. The fee was always, always, ALWAYS gonna be a an albatross around his neck.

KD gambled far to heavily on the mental profile of a player who he could no way have been 100% convinced could carry that tag.

It's pathetic really. On the day of the window I couldn't believe what we were doing. I'm not trying to bash AC. He is an okay player who is trying but only a rare breed of player can carry that price tag because they have 100% belief that they are the 'complete nuts' of a player! The likes of Aguero, Ronaldo spring to mind. I for one had no doubt that that they would be successes. It's just obvious.

Now, everyone is saying we need to buy. Tht is a no-no. In reality KD doesn't deserve to spend anymore. He's got to get more out of this team and if he can't then see you later and thanks and we'll have to go with someone else in the summer.

throwing money at Bent or similar will not solve this problem. We need to blood some of these yongsters and ship out dead wood like Kuyt while we can still fetch a decent fee.

It saddens me that we are here in 2012 and we still don't have a decent Right Winger. That's just a poor, poor show from Commolli/Dalglish.

Fortunately, I think KD WILL save his position cos I can still see him guiding us to a draw against City and therefore (fingers-crossed) winning the cup against a Championship side.

Very disillusioned and feel that we have wasted this season as progress has been minimal if at all.

Of course the top four can still be made but when all is said and done, Chelsea and Arsenal come bearing gifts (of poor results) every week and I am struggling to think of one week when we actually take advantage.

After beating Newcastle, instead of kicking on we have 1 win in 6 and are still behind them. That is damning in itself.

I realy hope he can turn it around, I really do. But just can't see the potential in the team and moreover the talent/cost ratio of his signings.

Sorry to go on people. It's just therapy like I said at the beginning!

YNWA

To tell the truth from what I seen I don't think Kenny is tactically a good manager, I think he is more of a motivator, and even that has not worked out. I know Kenny to be an icon of LFC, however what was promised has not been delivered yet.

At last, YES, the players got to take some responsibility in that!

KK also a little. Why play Hendo on the right. Recently he has shown little (maybe very little) signs on improving! He is a CM.

Downing keeps changing! He worked very well with Young.

Adam has been asked wanting and Carroll needs service!

YEAP a second winger would be nice!

Lads,

My point was not to lay the blame completely at KD's door. Just the sum of the parts is way off what it should be.

Personally, I was always sceptical of Adam and Downing. If Adam's passing and crossing were anything like they were for Blapckpool then his cost could be justified a little but he has been woeful on the whole.

The amount of times he overhits it or doesn't deliver a decent corner is frightening.

Downing is the big miss for me though. Carroll price tag was always likely to hurt him and being the new Alan Shearer is a big ask and a gamble that none of us can ever see coming off.

But last season, Downing had his best year, probably ever, for Villa. He scored approx 8 goals I recall and assisted around 10 or so.

Now, once I saw 20 mil being bandied around I was gutted cos I knew we would pay it, like the mugs we are.

Ashley Young (contract permitting) was a few million less but was always the right type of fit we needed. Downing's best season is Ash Young's AVERAGE season and that is the level we should have been aiming for.

Anyone who know's anything about football would have told you that Juam Mata at 23Mil was a far less of a gamble and over the course of both their contracts I reckon the cost in fees/wages will probably be between 5-6 Mil (Mata being a tad more expensive). but look what you get for your money?

Mata, is superior in most respects, will always assist and score more and if we had stolen a march he could have been secured a month beofre we dilly-dallied around Villa.

But hey-ho, let's just swell the coffers of everyone else and not progres shall we!

I really thought we had learnt our monetary lessons after the H&G fiasco but once the summer transfer line-up was being assembled I believe that deep-down..... deep-deep down.... 80-90% of us expected what has evolved.

YNWA

Why are ALL of them failing. There is no way I would give him more money at this point if I were the owners.

We are not playing to the players strengths. Carroll plays and Downing doesn't......

Then we play Hendo on the right, he is gash on the right.

Adam is not a DM and is lacking form atm, he should be dropped or have a different role in the team.

Johnson's been poor and I think Kelly should play more.

Gerrard is better in an attacking free role, but we have no-one capable of sitting behind him.

Maybe get a DM in on loan, somone like Diarra until Lucas is back. I don't rate Diarra enough to be a long term player for Liverpool but he would do a better job than who we currently have that's for sure.

I think that's correct, personally i'd take Young over Downing every time, i'd also take Valencia, N'Zogbia & Johnson over Downing.

No way would I say he was the best winger in the EPL last season I think he has trailed Young every year in the stats.

KopProphet,

I hear yu. young wanted to go to United. Fair enough. But I was using him as the calibre yardstick.

We shouldn't be buying players that have a true level when they are at there absolute maximum (Downing last season) than somebody who has had a mediocre/decent season(Young).

Mata could have been acquired. There is no factual basis to say we couldn't have got him.

how many times do we see a player not wanted by his club and then 2 mins later he signs elsewhere? Even if it wasn't his first choice?

If we had went oin early with a reasonable 24M bid for Mata and 1-120,00 wages (which is his rate and sustainable) the likelihood is that it would have been job done and then we have a fearsome young player, already approaching World Class status (A la torres at the time) and one with a sell on value in 5 years.

Downing is and never was that player.

Downing should be the type of player we have in our squad that is a back up to a player of Mata's quality.

Missing the point!

Talking about the QUALITY of the player. Why throw 20M at a player who is not at the required level.

If you are gonna pay money for Downing then get the valuation right. 10-12 tops. he is that level. A Good player yes, Absolute top drawer? No.

So why pay the inflated price.

Just hurts that we spend far too much on players. Even if (for example) Henderson becomes a top notch player, why have we paid out big time for someone's absolute maximum potential!

Even in a seller's market you don't pay 15M for something that could only ever be worth 15M.

Just common sense. Weshould have done what Wenger did with Oxlade C. Pay 10 Mil for someone who if develops right, will be worth 18-20M one day. But we are so desperate we splurge like imbeciles!
So what if Sunderland refused to do usiness. Scour the world and pick up someone else. there are plenty and I mean plenty of people on that level to buy.

LOL! Just hurting like we all are! Rant, rant, Rant

35m caroll- unproven + flopped.
6m Adam- Unproven Flopped.
henderson (dont't know price)...either way...Flopped.
Downing..........Flopped.50 shots....No goals.

Dalglish.......To Blame.........

Id have Rafa Benitez As next manager.