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Amen brother CP!

No-one's happy about our form but there's certainly a lack of understanding surrounding re-building a team. Too many posts repeating the same old lines 'spend £100m', 'adam's crap', 'KK blew his budget'. Unfortunately, in this day and age, people are impatient and demand everything in an instant, I blame the internet.

Henderson will come good, Adam will become a bit part player, Suarez will get a partner or two soon but not every signing will be Enrique... There seems to be too many premier managers on here, with the almighty power of hindsight who can't understand why we didn't sign Cavani, Erikson, A Johnson and Ba last summer instead of the drivel we got (apart from Enrique...).

Huge overall last summer and despite the new signings failing to shine, it's moving in the right direction. I'll admit Kenny's had a tough season and some decisions/tactics have baffled but let him put his plans in place. If we finish next season on the same amount of points and further from the pack, we can bring some negativity back.

Fantastic post buddy, well said!

I agree with some of what you say. However, City bought quality players - it was only a matter of time before they clicked into place. Kenny has spent big on players that were average and are showing no signs of improving - in some cases they seem to have gone backwards. With the money that kenny spent, he could have bought MUCH better players which would have resulted in us doing much better and having a brighter future.
It's not so much our form that is vexing me, it's kenny's purchases. I believe that they are doing as well as can be expected so my problem isn't with 'them'. To put it another way, they just aren't very good and aren't showing any potential. And this is the problem. I don't believe I am being impatient. Impatient would be waiting for an obvious talent to settle and shine. Kenny hasn't bought any talent so I don't see things getting better anytime soon.

CarheeX, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you're actually mental!

Are you delusional?? Where are you getting these notions from? Nobody is saying anything of the sort. You're so extreme that you can't actually see that people ARE unhappy and they ARE agreeing with things you're saying - just because they're not acting pre-menstrual and like the world is ending and calling for the manager to be sacked, you think that they're all against you. There is no 'us and them' - we're all LFC fans, and we all want the same things. You need to get this magical divide out of your head.

+1. Very good post, cp. Nice to hear some balanced views and sense talked - although I dare say you'll be labelled as a 'blind-faither' for it.

Carheex I think we are getting somewhere now. Would I have bought the players we have? probably not. That said I do understand the logic behing the transfers.Let me explain what I think is our position then and now;

Firstly we cannot compete against Man City, Chelsea etc purely on wages alone - it is financial suicide. So Mata, Aguero, Johnson were never on our radar.

The rule on british players will come into force sooner rather than later. Notice UTD buying mainly english as well this year. Therefore our targets were to be british where possible, and reasonable wages.

players we were linked with who fit this criteria;

Jones
Young
Downing
Henderson
McCarthy
Chamberlain
Cahill
Adam

Of these we got 3 which we know, why these 3? well Young was always Manu. Jones we missed a trick. Chamberlain inexperienced, McCarthy-dunno, Cahill - dunno.

Downing - player of the year, tons of assists and decent player
Henderson - Sunderland player of the year, mosts assists at the club, very fit and great potential
Adam - B'pool player of the year, mosts assists and cheap

For me the logic is sound and all 3 hit the criteria we set out to achieve. Are they top drawer? well no although I think Henderson could be great. All 3 are functional which also pretty much describes Liverpool this season. Solid, functional and generally comfortable against most if not all the sides we have met.

With the addition of the fanastic Suarez and Gerrard the hope would be to take us into the top 4. Where the additions would be of higher quality.

In summary I agree that it is not amazing but I can also see that we have made terrific progress and will continue to improve. I know we should have had 6-8 more points from the performances, but we havn't. Alot more right than wrong in my eyes.

2/3 quality players into the starting 11, and the team will be flying, picking up 3 points, scoring more than 1 goal per game and carroll banging in the goals and no more hitting posts, cross bars, that is how close the team has been from winning 3 points and ending up with 1.

very very fine line between winning, drawing or losing.

I don't think City have only bought top players, they've bought so many only the stars stand out. I don't think many people would have been happy with us buying Lescott for £24m or Barry/Milner for 20m+ or shelling out 200k a week in wages.
Dzeko was about £27m, looked awful when he first came so they spend 30 odd million on Aguerro, gave him time and he came good, sort of. City are in a different league, and it took them 3 years to get there.
Not to get in a £ debate but haven't we spend around +£35m

I maintain Henderson will be a hell of a player in a couple years time and as mentioned, Downing and Adam were standout players last year, as was Carrol first half, so they're not playing as well as they could at all and it's not hard to see why we bought them, adding that many top players aren't available to us anymore.
I assume the idea was to buy young, proven, English players, get back into the CL and over a couple years, buy a few top quality players to combine with youth and current stars.

Add Lucas, Gerrard and Saurez next season with inevitable new signings and (hopefully) a team used to playing together (if he plays the same team more than once) and things are't doom and gloom. I'd be very suprised and dissapointed if we don't go all out to land a prolific striker and at least one pacey winger, as well as getting rid of more deadwood as we did last year. Questions will be asked if we don't, for sure.

Even Carrol can turn it around given half a chance. I'm suprised people haven't learn from Lucas regards giving players time.

no mention of downing?he usually is ok until something doesn't go his way then his confidence goes asnd all he does for the rest of a game is waste a position on the pitch.henderson i think is also dodgy and if cards were medals adam would be the most decorated liverpool player of all time.carroll i don't think will ever do.it doesn't look as if he and suarez will click that is if they ever play together.for his fee and what we got we were shafted.last point we can't rely on suarez sure he was gr8 last season but this year off the bar/post/just wide.remember torres we cannot rely on him and gerrard 2 do it all or it might not be a case of ynwa and more a case of we'll never walk again

It's commonsense that you build from the back. Our defence is strong, they're at the ages where they can stay together for 3-4 years and they have promising understudies in Flanagan-Kelly-Coates-Robinson. If we'd had a striker functioning well we'd have 10 more points. As cp has said, Dalglish is in the early stages of a three-year restoration job. Everyone knew there would be setbacks, and these setbacks have generally been frustrating draws rather than shambolic defeats. We're not out of anything yet. Too much negativity on here, thankfully i don't think it will transfer to Anfield on a matchday.