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Silly me! My faith must have blinded me from that part.

Totally agree with that and the sooner we realize that we are a work in progress the better. KD was never going to turn this around in one season, no manager could. Are we as fans happier then we were this time last year?this time 2010? I for one am, its a season of ups and downs, crap games against Stoke and great performances against City Chelsea Utd. We're headed in the right direction and there'll be some fcukups on the way, thats what a work in progress is!!!

Well said Derek. Welcome to the forum (posting-wise, anyway!)

Thanks Bar, long time reader first time poster. The negativity of posters here in the last 6 months has really p1ssed me off, you can't download quality it has to be built.

u get wat u get, when u sign and play average players, in the team.

KD was given the funds and he, comolli fcuked up by spending big money on average british players(not including jose)and not signing quality players, regardless if they were not british.

plus KD is trying to put round pegs in square holes, wen it comes to downing.

fcuking play downing on the left wing and leave him thier.

Sad but true. Certain posted on here are incapable of positive comments, so they'd rather not post at all when things are going well. I'm actually not trying to have a go at them, but I find it very strange that someone's mind can work like that. Pure misery.

Be warned Derek: certain posters on here think everything's rosy; they clearly don't understand the game or have any recollection of what Liverpool FC is about if they think things are fine at the moment. They also think that us fans don't have the right to be unhappy with dire performances, poor signings etc, and that the manager is beyond criticism. These types live in their own little world where we are 'one signing' away from winning the league and that every draw or defeat is down to bad luck or poor refereeing. They compile league tables to show where we would be if every shot that hit the woodwork went in, or use excuses like 'we got more points than man utd in the last calendar year'. To them, they'd be happy if we got relegated as long as 'king kenny' was still at the helm!

What Carheex is trying to say is that if you have a balanced opinion then you are a blind faither,It would help if he actually tried to understand peoples opinions but he is probably unable to do that.

What wakka is trying to say is that no matter what kenny does it is acceptable, and only a 'true fan' would refrain from criticising him. Wakka believes that carroll was an inspired piece of business snatched from under the nose of europes biggest clubs at an absolute bargain. and that we will go on to sell him at a massive profit. Wakka also thinks that henderson was acquired on the cheap and is already showing signs of massive potential to the extent that we haven't missed gerrard one bit. Wakka truly feels that with the addition of downing and adam to our new look midfield, the likes of barcelona and real madrid are dreading the day we qualify for the champions league again. Wakka spends most of his days at the crack pipe.

Carheex - we have what is known as perspective. A draw should not signal the end of a manager or a player, we need to grow and it takes time. We are 1yr in to a re-build and the majority feel we have done ok. I feel criticism can be given but as I said wih perspective. Not so black and white - sugar or sh*te seems to be the mantra and this constant shout of 'I told you so' when a player fails to deliver.

Moving players in and out is not an easy business and generally is expensive, quite often we have families(therefore schools) , housing, agent fee's and possibly a language situation to deal with. Remember Luis reckons he settled well because of Dirk(dutch speaking) Maxi, Lucas and Aurelio being south american. All these elements help bond a team together. We have added 7+ plares to the squad and moved on 14+ in 1 year. This is traumatic to say the least. Throw in new coaches and playing philosophy and are we not surprised that it's a bumpy journey?

Blind faithers some maybe but also alot of us have been round along time to see that to build a succesful team takes time, but more importantly patience from staff and fans. Man City have thrown 450mil at the team in the last 3 seasons and only now are they starting to see a good team. Silva was distinctivelyaverage last season as the negative(lots of draws) Man city bored teams throughout the season. This season they have scored for fun and Silva looks class. All in all it takes time.

peace and goodwill