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A lot has been said of the last couple of games with team selections, tactics and way of playing!

Before the start of this season what was your real expectation of the club! To think so many new players and what else is going on round the club!

Plus, we are just a little over half way and seem like giving up on our expectation.

I mean, I believe we are top 5 or 6. Seriously! Man City and Spurs have been building the last couple of years and show that in their league position! Yes Arsenal and Chelsea have come down a bit but still capable of staying there. Newcastle is the surprise package!

Now we are building! Top 5 and a cup or 2 would be great! We can't just jump back in top 4, we have been going downhill. KD has stopped that and now we are turning a corner! It might take a season! Oh well. We believe and support as a team!

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I believe we needed fourth place I felt if we performed well we could challenge for it at least. We were help in this by underperformances from Aresnal and Chelsea. Had our transfers delivered from the off (they were established players) then I believe we could have got 4th spot. However they dids not deliver and with some odd tactical stuff we don't look to be progessing to me or if we are its very very slow. So to answer your question personally things are below my expectations.


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People need to be honest here and think back. Up until the last few games of last season when everyone was still excited about Kenny, there were a lot of fools on here that thought we could win the league this year and that top 4 was a certainty.

My expectations, considering the money spent over the last 12 months were that we should finish 4th - anything less MUST be considered a failure. There is no reason why spurs, arsenal, chelsea or newcastle should finish above us and there can be no excuse if all 4 of them finish above us!

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Never mind our expectations what about the man who matters John Henry. What dis he say?

Top 4 was the objective.

I wonder how he would feel if we finished 6th and Kenny asking for more money because last years transfers dis not work out. Not best pleased would be my guess. Whether he chooses to stick or twist I don't know we will have to see.


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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
People need to be honest here and think back. Up until the last few games of last season when everyone was still excited about Kenny, there were a lot of fools on here that thought we could win the league this year and that top 4 was a certainty.

My expectations, considering the money spent over the last 12 months were that we should finish 4th - anything less MUST be considered a failure. There is no reason why spurs, arsenal, chelsea or newcastle should finish above us and there can be no excuse if all 4 of them finish above us!


i am old enough to remeber a certain mr Ferguson spending huge amounts on players in his first two seasons only to be lambasted by his fans, finishing in the bottom half of the table having being just off bottom at christmas. Fans questioned hi reasoning shipping out quality players such as McGrath and Strachen. Replacing them with expensive potential players such as Phelan, Bruce, Parker, pallister, Webb, McClair. We as LFC just laughed at the time as the team bumbled along winning some losing others.

Amazing how the investment in youth paid off two seasons later, he just managed to keep his job thanks to Mark Robins goal in the cup. All of a sudden they charged past Liverpool and Arsenal then champions leeds. They also bought the best young players each season, Ince, Keane, Schmeichel. All led by the old hand Robson.

Having to invest heavilly but not on experienced players but those with potential. Are we not paying over the odds at the same time. Are we not also inconsistent, Are we being led by an old hand such as Robson(Gerrard).Are we not taking a similar journey?

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I don't see us signing any of the best young players, unless you class henderson, shelvey and carroll in that category in which case your points are invalid and you need to be sectioned.
The game has moved on since those days and money now rules. We are no longer the power we once were who could attract players because of the name of the club and our position in world football. We can't offer champions league football - we can't even offer them europa league football! And even if were to sign quality youngsters they'd never get a game.

It's very wishful thinking on your part but if you believe our squad is going to go on and achieve a fraction of what Ferguson did at Utd then you will be massively disappointed. Utd moved forward with the times, rebuilt, made big changes, marketed themselves into a money making machine and THEN the success came. We have gone backwards by hiring an old manager that walked out on us last time around, hasn't managed for 15 years and puts his faith in big money english players even though the england team is a worldwide joke! Trust me, the journies couldn't be more different.

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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
I don't see us signing any of the best young players, unless you class henderson, shelvey and carroll in that category in which case your points are invalid and you need to be sectioned.
The game has moved on since those days and money now rules. We are no longer the power we once were who could attract players because of the name of the club and our position in world football. We can't offer champions league football - we can't even offer them europa league football! And even if were to sign quality youngsters they'd never get a game.

It's very wishful thinking on your part but if you believe our squad is going to go on and achieve a fraction of what Ferguson did at Utd then you will be massively disappointed. Utd moved forward with the times, rebuilt, made big changes, marketed themselves into a money making machine and THEN the success came. We have gone backwards by hiring an old manager that walked out on us last time around, hasn't managed for 15 years and puts his faith in big money english players even though the england team is a worldwide joke! Trust me, the journies couldn't be more different.


is the ball not round anymore? do you not have to score in the opposing teams net? are there still 11 players on each side?
well i think the game is very much the same. to quote Graham Hunter(Top spanish football observer), Barcelona have modelled themselves on Paisley's Liverpool where they pass and move but also press as a team using both short and long passes. Players seemlessly come in and out of the team without issue or change to the success. The philospohy being a great team and not ncesessarly great players. a point ackowleged by other Spanish observers at the time.

you are blinded by wanting to be right rather than what is actually happening. It is your choice but very blinkered

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It was not just about Ferguson though was it as CareeX said man utd invested in their infrastruture while we stood still. Liverpool are essentially the same as 1990 while Utd have moved on massively. Had Utd not invested in their infrastruture Ferguson would not have had the success. Twenty two years on what is our club doing?.....sweet FA.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
It was not just about Ferguson though was it as CareeX said man utd invested in their infrastruture while we stood still. Liverpool are essentially the same as 1990 while Utd have moved on massively. Had Utd not invested in their infrastruture Ferguson would not have had the success. Twenty two years on what is our club doing?.....sweet FA.


yes and No. Utd only invested in their structure once they won the title. Remember Edwards tried to get out in 1991 by selling to Michael Knighton for 10mil(remember the daft ball juggling debacle, hilarious). The thing is Knighton told Edwards what and how he was going to grow the club(PLC etc). When Knightons money fell through Edwards copied his plans.

Points on dithering LFC during this time perfectly correct though. As a club we took too long to get over Hillsborough and never made the decisions that needed to be made.

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