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If you look at my posts after the last game I stated that the performance wasn't good enough or acceptable, that the team line-up was a massive error and that Kenny has to take the blame for those poor decisions. This doesn't mean I want or think he should be sacked. It is actually possible to have opinions without showing the extremeties of an over-dramatic teenage girl. Disagreeing we need to sack the manager doesn't mean that you're blind or living in a dream world.

That makes you a blind faither these days Bar,not someone with a balanced opinion.

Reina - makes a lot more mistakes than he used to
Enrique - very good
Agger - good, but how long until his next lengthy layoff?
Carragher - past it
Skrtel - ok
Johnson - wildly erratic
kelly - very good
Lucas - good
Gerrard - still our best player but hardly represents 'the future'
adam - average
downing - awful
spearing - average
shelvey - poor
henderson - who?
maxi - ok at times as he gets the odd goal but does little else
carroll - oh dear
suarez - superb player but doesn't score enough as he's surrounded by rubbish (how long will he hang around?)
kuyt - offers nothing anymore
bellamy - good but again, not one for the future


When you take out the ageing players there is no way you can look at that squad and think it has any chance whatsoever of taking us back to the top. Never in a million years. We have blown a massive chunk of money already - if we hadn't done then I would agree that with the squad we have and £100m+ to bring in new players then we might be optimistic, but that money is gone and we're in 7th!
You may disagree with my analysis on the above players - but for me, our squad is good enough for 7th place - which coincidentally is where we are. We don't deserve to be any higher as our manager has bought poorly.

I'd love to see your analysis of the above players and how you think the future looks bright, instead of making childish remarks.....

Let's summarise:

-you think our performance was unacceptable (presumably I can use the word, 'again' here!?)
-the lineup (and tactics) were a massive error
-kenny is to blame for the above

I'd argue that the lineup was probably as good as it could have been - which in itself is a problem and highlights how bad the players are that kenny has spent so much money on.

Why would you want to keep a manager based on the above? It's not as if it's the first time he has taken this approach towards teams we should be beating and it's not as if he can be trusted to be given another big transfer kitty to put things right. With the players at his disposal (the ones that HE bought) we are doing as well as can be expected, which isn't good enough because the expectation is linked his signings.

A very good post CareeX going against the grain of the "don’t worry it will be all right brigade". Well it won't in anything in life or business you need to plan, invest and work hard to make things happen. For me there is too much focus on Dalglish and the team and not enough on the club. David Moores sold out in 2007 because he did not have the resources to catch the club up with our rivals. Since then we are no further on. To answer your question to get back to title contention we need substantial investment hundreds of millions on the team and the clubs decrepit infrastructure. And that investment has to be good not wasted. We are a long way from that I see a club with no strategy, reticent owners and a catastrophic transfer investment in 2011 much of which has been thrown in the bin or donated to Newcastle United. Its fine to have faith and patience because I agree you cannot rebuild overnight. However for that to work you need a long term strategy and you need to be successful in your execution of that strategy. See none of that at Liverpool football club. If anyone out there feels differently then explain why and give me some tangible evidence.

I agree about the long term strategy concerns. Our best players are ageing, the ones we have bought shouldn't be anywhere near a club like liverpool...and our long term managerial strategy involves an ageing manager that hasn't been in charge of a club for over 15 years and a confusing hierarchy where the chief scout 'possibly' has too much involvement with everything.
I love the club as much as ever but I've not seen anything in the last 12 months to suggest we're on the up or even building anything to get excited about.
If we're building for the future, I wonder what our team will look like in 3 years time.

Carragher won't around
Gerrard will probably have finished being a regular
Suarez will probably have moved on after years of winning nothing
Kuyt will have gone
Maxi will have finished
Downing won't be any better
Reina - question mark over his commitment long term
Bellamy will be gone

We've spent a lot of money so I can't see too much investment to replace the above as those players have already been bought in (carroll, henderson, adam, coates....). And if our fringe were any good they'd have played by now - it's safe to assume that spearing and shelvey are the best of our fringe players due to the amount of games they have played - that's very worrying for the future!
In 3 years time, the backbone of our team could be Coates, skrtel, Henderson, Spearing and Carroll - oh bugger!!!!

It's not a few poor resukts thojhugh is it - more a string of them - and infront of our own fans too - who pay good money to watch this team try to perform and fail

We've been unable to beat Sunderland, Wigan, Blackburn, Stoke and Norwich, Swansea at home

Despite fine form of Norwich and Swansea at the moment hese are sides that are likely all be in the bottom half of the league and if we drop ots to them we won't be getting back in the CL - we won't even come close

I'm sick of this Kenny, Kenny, Kenny when we all know had we got these results under Roy Hogson we'd all be saying he should be shown the door

Kenny's spent quite a lot of money on a squad that's completely incapable of performing in front of its own fans unless its a big side

How much of this is down to Comoli I don't know but he has a track record of spending lots of money of overrayed players - and that's exactly what he's done here

The players need to want it, first and foremost. I mean REALLY want it. The talk of the pitch is all nice to hear, but it's about how your translate that onto the pitch. Show us you want it. To many games this season, I don't see that. At all.

If we're gonna bring in players, make sure they want it just as much to. Because if you don't, your not even worth the time or money to wear the red shirt.

We need about 5 or 6 players STILL. If we want to be serious about it, then bring in the serious players. If the money is there of course.

Xherdan Shaqiri
Cheick Tiote
Yohan Gourcuff
Edinson Cavani
Jermaine Defoe (if the money is right)
David Texeira

and maybe even another center back.

Unfair on Shelvey really. He will be next Gerrard in the middle. He looks like he will develop into a fabulous player. He can pass tackle shoot and run all day. What else do we want?

he's not as quick as gerrard though, and i mean a gerrard in his 30's never mind a young gerrard.