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Having to be quick, is a myth.

Being clever is not though.

Ohhhhhh Sami Sami!

Players can make up for the lack of pace, with a better reading of the game. I don't think Shelvey is that slow compared to some. He makes runs into the box. That goal vs. Oldham was quite funny, because he and Gerrard were virtually stood in the same spot, for the same volley.

Shelvey is definitely 100% more of a replacement for Gerrard than Henderson.

We need 100 m net spend more quality. Until the glaziers.saddled utd with debt they added a big money signing in most windows (adding to their academy breakthroughs) for years hence the titles. So that's obviously the way to go...imo the academy bit IS progressing nicely (our kids are playing in the reserve league, our reserves are on loan), BUT not sure FSG gonna provide the $ for big players in every window (if we can. attract them). We need more suarez, torres, SG world class signings (in a perfect world)

the hendo shelvey arguement is a strong one. i wonder is hendo's price tag pipping it for him at the moment. but i still think pace is an issue if you are going to be a gerrard. its on thing for a defender to be able to compensate for pace, a different thing for a defender who covers much more ground.

We need time!

Nothing is instant! How can you get anything done!

Yes, the new players aren't showing their potential of what they showed in their last clubs. But I'm sorry...we need to give time!

A good example. FC Barcelona! Apart from Messi, Xavi and Iniesta weren't regarded as brilliant AT FIRST!! Potential was there! And when they won their 2nd Champions they were showing a lot of signs! But it wasn't until a MR GUARDIOLA stepped in and knew how FCB worked and philosophy!!! The rest we know!


WAIT, I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM COMPARING OUR 3 PLAYERS TO FCB PLAYERS!!! But we need to build our dynasty again from something that there was no foundation! This took time. How long did it take for SHANKS to get LFC back in the 1st Division. The first time asking, no!

TIME TIME BLOODY TIME
Apologies to the capital letters! Frustrating.

Yes, support!

I think the thing about Henderson isn't the price. Even if he cost us nothing I'd still be surprised that Kenny thought he was good enough for us. It's not that he does a lot wrong (or right), it's just that he doesn't seem to do anything at all. It's almost as if he's in shock that LFC wanted him - he's petrified of screwing up so he stays out of the game as much as possible to avoid misplacing passes or losing tackles. At the moment, when he's on the pitch we're always a man down. How Kenny can't see this is a bit disturbing to be honest as it is very clear to everyone else.

A bad example actually. In the 3 seasons before Guardiola took over, Barcelona had won the league twice and the champions league once. He hardly revamped them or made them what they are. He inherited a superb squad with some rapidly developing talent already in place.

It is possible to support, criticise, be angry and be happy all one day, especially as a Liverpool fan! Being a good supporter means caring about the club and where it is going, voicing concern and having an opinion (good OR bad) - you don't have to be permanently upbeat and accepting of everything to be a good supporter.

There's an article today by Martin Samuel questioning whether Carroll is even worth ten million. His two goal tally this season would put him in the company of Leroy Lita, Kevin Davies, Jay Boothroyd, Victor Anichebe none of whom are worth £10m. So why would anyone pay £10m for Carroll because we paid £35m for him I think not. In a year we have for no contribution wasted about £28m. Add to this Henserson and Downing where we have probably paid three times too much you have to ask the question whose judgement is this? If I was FSG I would want to ask very serious questions before sanctioning another spree like this.

Absolutely spot on. Although some will disagree with you because Kenny was such a great player a long, long time ago and should be free from criticism!

The funny thing is that people are justifying his price tage because he's young! Lunacy. The only thing that matters is the talent, unless we've bought Andy Carroll as an investement to sell on at a profit, in which case.......

Form an orderly queue to pay £50m for Andy Carroll.

ok, so remind me which English players changed clubs for 10m in the EPL.

I wish people would realize that 50% of the players' value is added due to being English. So if Henderson is a 10-12m player he was always going to cost 15-18m. Has Hendo been a 10-12m pound player, based on his potential and performance last season in the EPL (and since he's only 20)? Probably - that's what they cost these days. He's no Gerrard or Rooney, but those players were already worth much more than that at 16, 10 years ago. Remember that Downing still had 3 years on his contract - that's not free.

If you want to complain about overpaying for these players, blame the FA.