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Change the tune, we've heard it all before!
This will be a long'n so if you don't want to read it all, please don't comment.
Can't some of you see that apart from 1 season (in 09) in all the seasons gone by, since we last won the league, that we have been mainly the same, in the same rut. All along? Apart from a few glimpses here and there....
We've thrown money at more players, we've had the managers, we've even had THE KING return and I don't think at the time he returned, any of you didn't want it. Most of us called for him, when Benitez went.
I feel over the years, we have spent money on the WRONG players, but I also feel it is down to PROFESSIONAL footballers on £50,000 to £150,000 to get the job f*cking done! We shouldn't forget that or distance ourselves from it!.....EVER
Yes, Kenny played a unusual formation (being at home n'all) and to a certain extent I can agree with the discontent regarding that, especially against Stoke (take nothing away from them, they can play football how they jolly well want to!) and knowing how they would play.
It's up to us, regardless of opposition. Stoke, Bolton or Barcelona, it's about us and how we effect the game. Do you REALLY want it enough?...Proove it!
Some people questioned the starting line up, but ONCE AGAIN it is down to the players ultimately to go out there and get the results, the results they are paid to get! If they can't do it under Dalglish, they never will do it, as far as I'm concerned.
The excuses under Hodgson were given, left right and center and rightly so in some parts. I agree. But It's hard to find excuses now, Mr. Gerrard and co.!!!!
Kenny has already kicked his footballs, done his time and hung up his boots. He picks the team, it's up to them to perform and rise. It's up to them (AND RIGHTFULLY EXPECTED) for them to step up to the plate and adjust to any formation, tactic, position or instruction. That's what they get paid in bucket loads, to do people!
This is what they've been doing since kids remember, given all the best resources by professional football clubs in order to perform at the highest level.
Nothings changed and will change until EVERY player wearing the Liverpool shirt today, books there f*cking ideas up!
If you don't want to be good enough or even have the ability in the first place or even try. Then goodnight Vienna!
"We need goals, we need goals, we need goals" It's become common and general consensus between every one around the club that we're not scoring enough.
- Andy Carroll, clearly isn't supported or motivated enough ON THE PITCH by Dalglish (as much as they can make out, off it!) and the players we have don't play around him properly or to his strengths either. So it won't work (as much as we all want it to for Carroll) UNTIL all those things come into place.
- Downing, was brought in as one of the best crosser's in the premier league, he prefers to play right side being left footed, when played on either flank, the supply is never there or good enough by him.
- Charlie Adam, loves his fancy cross field/sideways 50/50 Hollywood balls, I thought he was supposed to be brilliant at set-pieces to? What one in every fifty? He can't even get the ball past the first man!
- Henderson, I don't know what to think yet. Not overly impressed at all.
- Enrique, has been absolutely fantastic, I don't have a bad word to say about him to be honest. Gives 110% every game, busts a gut to get forward and busts a gut to defend. Strong, fast, skill full. Performing to the best of his ability and more, this is all we ask for.
What I don't understand and WOULD question management on is, that there is a lad sat in the reserves/youth team, prolific at youth level. A goalscorers goalscorer, scores goals for fun, local lad, stands out from the rest and against any opposition. Funnily enough it sounds mighty like a few other strikers we've had, who've gone onto score many goals for the first team from the youth team, does it not?
Robbie Fowler
Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Adam Morgan?
I sometimes wonder where Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler and Steven Gerrard magically appeared from, I dont remember us forking out £35m for them from somewhere else?
No we give them the chance....and they all took it.
If we don't give our youth team promise a chance, we will never find out, will we?
I'm upset, to be honest with you all, because I honestly feel like the players are letting us down. Big time. I really do. Sorry but i have to disagree with u on some points mate, its laughable how we go to great lenghts to shift the blame from the managers to the players yet its clearly his team and his tactics that are employed. Didnt someone say the buck stops with the manager? Also consider the team he inherited from Roy, when he came in the SAME players started getting results, that seems to suggest that it wasnt the players fault after all. Now he's had obscene amounts of money to spend and sadly he's wasted it on junk! I didnt see a lack of commitment from the players yesterday, they played their hearts out, unfortunately the players we bought are JUST NOT GOOD ENAF! I mean Downing, Hendo and Carroll have had a negligible contribution to the team so far, and the sad part is that we paid a kings ransom for them. I would agree though that we need to give some of the younger lads a chance as its the only way to find out if they are any good, no point having a youth system if we cant promote the younsters to the senior team.
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For me players just aren't performing like they should be. There have been odd occasions where we can point the finger at Kenny, but more often than not it's down to the players to go out there and perform. The blame for me only goes on the manager, when they are making obvious mistakes in the starting line-up, formation or they've lost the dressing room week in, week out.
Andy Carroll I feel has fell out with Dalglish on what he does ON THE PITCH. I genuinely feel that. Off the pitch you can support, stick up and praise him all you want. But what about to his face? Go on son! Get on there, attack that defender in the air. Get yourself close, use your strength, don't listen to all the nonsense, proove that your worthy of the number 9.
I don't see any of that and I think that DOES fall on Dalglish because it is obvious to me anyway that he does have his favorites and Carroll at the moment, isn't one of them.
Just look at his reaction when he was subbed on against Oldham! He got stripped and ready to come on and as he was walking over to the 4th official, he looks back and asks Dalglish something. Dalglish doesn't even turn around and acknowledge him. Carroll carries on walking shrugging his shoulders and nodding "yeh I thought so."
Charlie Adam for me just doesn't cut it. He ain't no Alonso. He can play the range of passing, but it's always in the corners or sideways. What about playing the ball forward? It just ain't there. His corners were supposed to be worth millions, I don't think I've seen him put a really good one in. I've seen him deliver one good set piece and that was in the first game against Sunderland.
I don't think Jordan Henderson will ever be fit to lace Gerrard's boots myself. Look at Gerrard at his age! There is no comparison. Shelvey for me is more of a natural replacement.
Stuart Downing has been farcical for me, his delivery was always the best part of his game. Even at Villa, his crossing was top notch. He got the goals for Bent. What's he doing now for us? A run, a cut in side and loose possession? He's not playing with common sense, especially when Carroll is sat in the box. It just stinks of Jermain Pennant all over again and some would argue that he's better!!!
We lack in creation for me, we've got to have players who can play that killer through ball consistently, those mazy patient runs from midfield. Yes we create chances, but most of them are hit and hope for the sake of it. We need to be more meaningful and ruthless. I mean f*cking Benayoun was bare minimum of what sort of player we could get. But he done a job, he made goals and chipped in, here and there. Regardless of what we say about him.
It's that sort of cultured footballer we need.....and we need at least 2. AT LEAST 2.
I feel top 4 is out of the question now. We needed to beat Stoke at home. We now need to beat the teams around us, no questions asked, just do. If we do, we stand a chance of getting it. But I feel it will be the same old same old, more dropped points to come, relying on teams around us to drop points. If we had done this or done that blah blah blah.....same old same old.
At the end of the day, we should have won most, if not all of the games we have drawn in.....and we haven't. If we had, we would be top 4 and playing promisingly enough to stay there.
I expect us to win the Carling Cup and beat United at Anfield in the FA cup, anything past that in the FA cup is anyone's guess.
Europa League next season folks, league form will be terrible again because of it....and we won't be signing top players, who can take us forward.
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Sadly, this country doesn't produce men of Shankly's calibre any more. But I don't think we need to be too negative. The back four is solid, could stay together for another 3-4 years and has a strong set of young understudies (Flanagan-Kelly-Coates-Robinson). Plus, Gerrard and Suarez have hardly ever been on the same pitch together. We have a long way to go, but Dalglish is six months into what was widely acknowledged to be a three-year restoration job. We knew there would be setbacks, and those setbacks have generally been sloppy draws rather than humiliating defeats. We're not yet out of anything we were (realistically) competing for in August. The best post I've read on here in a fair few weeks.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
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We are only 2-3 short of a strong team, Right sided winger, Striker and a creative attacking midfielder/holding midfielder to work with Gerrard while Lucas is out! Can understand everyone's frustration though!!It was a sorry game to watch yesterday I agree with that. Its not many players really. Although I would add that Bellamy, Maxi and Kuyt would need replacing too due to age, not a starter and age again.
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We can draft up our dream players list all we want. We have to look at it realistically.
For me, We should definitely be looking at bringing in attacking midfielders/wingers that can play between the lines and play just as productively out wide, consistent as well. Either in this transfer window or over the next one in the summer.
Esteban Granero is a no no no no no! Why do we need ANOTHER player in the same mold as about 3,4,5 players we've already got? This is typical LFC and to be honest, I can see this coming of to! Totally the wrong move and option, another reject! If we're really worried about Lucas's absence for the season or that we need better than Jay Spearing, then we need to splash the cash on a proper world class combative midfielder. There would only be one (maybe 2) that i would bring in and that would be either;
Momo Sissoko - PSG - back on loan, or...
Cheick Tiote - Newcastle - but we all know Newcastle would hold us to ransom!
and as for the sort of players we need to bring in attacking wise;
Xherdan Shaqiri - FC Basel - for me is an absolute must, if we fail to sign some one in that mold soon, we will simply not be able to get those sort of players at all, because they will all be taken by rival clubs. Most of the players we should have brought in (depending on if they wanted to play for us) have gone elsewhere I.E. Juan Mata.
We need to act quick and act good on this one, before the likes of Man United, Man City, Chelsea, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Athletico Madrid, Valencia move quick and get him in.
Wilfried Zaha - Crystal Palace - Bring him in, shove him in he first team, absolutely good enough. Let go of the reigns, let him shine. No need for the tip-toe treatment, put the trust in him. The boy is good enough and youthful enough. However the move is absolutely useless if he gets left on the bench, thrown in the reserves etc etc etc
Yohan Gourcuff - Lyon - If at all possible, bring him in.
I'd also give the likes of Adam Morgan, Raheem Sterling and Suso a massive opportunity and chance early on. Show us what you can do, show us what your made of.
It's no use keeping them in the reserves and youth squads for years and years and years. They are ready, young, but ready. We need to give them a chance to thrive and learn the professional game, young. We're bringing in youth players and throwing them in the youth teams and reserves. Yes maybe for a year or two depending on age, but these players should be in the first team now even at the ages of 17, 18, 19. Steven, Michael and Robbie all were, most of the good players today who are playing for other clubs, came through early, stayed or moved on!
Last edited by craney91; 15/01/12 04:36 PM.
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* and Connor Coady.
It just bewilders me that they are left to play their trade in the reserves.
We're seeing it now with that United youngster Morrison. They believe they're good enough (some of em are, some aren't) and want to play football, they want the chance.
It's madness that we don't. We've seen players like Owen, Gerrard and Fowler come through, given the chance at an early age. I mean we have Rodolfo Borrell coaching the reserves who helped bring through some of the talent at Barcelona now. Including Messi.
They got them to a certain level and come 17, 18, 19 given the chance and the support in the first team. Look at what Messi is now and look how old he is, still young. I think there is a growing trend in the premier league in particular regarding not playing the youngsters at the highest level, if anything they may get run outs in the Carling Cup, but it means nothing. They need to be playing week in, week out, in the league, in Europe.
It's to late come 21, 22, 23, they fall apart and loose the want. We've seen it with Ryan Babel already. We should be learning from our mistakes.....and we're not.
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If they played the youngsters they could not possibly be worse than what we have now. The worst Liverpool strike force for 50 odd years since we were in the old division two. Totally and absolutely disgraceful.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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If they played the youngsters they could not possibly be worse than what we have now. The worst Liverpool strike force for 50 odd years since we were in the old division two. Totally and absolutely disgraceful. It's not even about them doing no worse than what we have now. They should be given the time in the first place. They are not. I don't understand why. Kenny has seen these players before he took up the top job again. What is the reluctance? People say about Martin Kelly and Jay Spearing and that they come up through the youth team, YES. But they went on loan and was wasted in the reserves for years prior. In my opinion if you've got youngsters sat in the reserves who you don't trust, or are reluctant to put in the first time, then don't have them in the first place. It's pointless.
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Yeah, it's another thing if the players in the regular starting XI are all on top of their ability and scoring bucket loads of goals.
But we aren't really doing that atm are we?
Then it's definitely time for our youngsters with their energy to come in and have a go at it. Maybe the older lads will step it up too when they feel the competition breathing down their necks?!
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If we have some strikers scoring the goals in the youth and reserved why not give em a chance. I reckon I woulda scored that chance Kuyt missed yesterday.
Suarez also isn't scoring so we need something.
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