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Was there any truth in the big clubs chasing the breakaway European league, or were they just after more money at home? The greed of bigger clubs doesn't help, such as whoever was in the news stating the bigger clubs deserve more revenue from foreign markets (Ian Ayre?), like A58 said, it will just mean the big clubs will have more money to spend on transfer/wage increases so it's very short-term thinking.
Wonder if the transfer cap will have any effect?
I'm sure they'll squeeze more money out of people first, Sky Season tickets is the way to go I'm sure to try and stop people watching it free online.
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Not sure how the transfer cap will work or if they will even enforce it, but one thing is for sure they have pretty well reached breaking point with ticket prices, so from here its diminishing returns at the gates, and thats a problem for investment in new stadiums. So unless they can generate increasing revenue from other sources they are in a cul-de-sac. I think they have to tackle the wages and transfer costs or else face empty terraces. They need to go back to the earlier model of reasonable cost base and reasonable gate prices if they want full stadiums and avoid killing the goose. But the system is built to facilitate greed, hence the boom and bust cycle, so I think there will be bust before there is recovery, as is usual.
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I am writing a 10,000 word dissertation on, "How has sustaining inflated wealth and profit during the current recession shifted communal ties and public perception of the football industry?"
This is probably more for the older fans but,
Do you still feel as connected to LFC as you once did?
Has communal ties shifted during the recession?
Do you think the lower league sides have more of of a connection to their community?
Do you think the money in football is causing any anger or frustration from fans towards football clubs??
Any thoughts would be great and I feel its an interesting topic to talk about also!!
Cheers guys There seems to be an inherent assumption here that LFC and Football clubs in general are fundamentally different from what they always were. I don't think they are. LFC started life in 1892 as a pretty aggressive business venture following the refusal of our previous tenants at Anfield to pay the exorbitant rent demands of our founder Mr. Houlding, preferring instead to move across Stanley park to a new ground of their own, Whereupon Houlding and his business friend John McKenna set up LFC at the vacant Anfield. They were profit motivated from the start, just as todays owners are. They recruited players from all over the UK and most were from well outside the Liverpool area, quite a few from scotland, wales and Ireland as well as from England. In addition the new LFC attracted supporters from all these locations as well. While it is correct to say most of the supporters came from the local area, it is incorrect to say or imply that LFC was ever a community venture, it was not, it was a commercial venture would and did welcome fans from wherever it could attract them. All that has changed is that modern technology and communication makes it possible to attract them from further away and in greater numbers. We should embrace that and both John Houlding and John McKenna certainly would. Regarding ticket prices they being the business men they were, they would charge what ever the market could sustain, just as todays owners do. i'm not saying or trying to imply anything so apologies if it comes across in that way. im just trying to get an idea of how the public image of LFC is held in the community, hence the title of my dissertation. im well aware of the history of LFC and how John Houlding and John McKenna increased the rent due to interest in football becoming more and more popular, of course it was business. but LFC over the years, especially the shankly years, have become a club with a connection with the community and the fans, typified with shankly famously telling tommy smith, "Correction, it's not your leg son. It's Liverpool's leg" you do make a lot of interesting points though especially due to LFC being the second team to be established on merseyside, the fans were already supporting everton, meaning the early supporters would have been from scotland, ireland and wales as that is where the players were from!!
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this is an interseting read too... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/apr/11/bundesliga-premier-league"Last season La Liga attracted an average of 28,478 fans, Ligue 1 21,034, Serie A 25,304 and the Premier League 35,592. These figures are dwarfed by the Bundesliga's average of 41,904. Its soaring attendances are matched by a balanced approach to salaries. "The crucial thing in last year's €1.7bn turnover and €30m profit was that Bundesliga clubs paid less than 50% of revenue in players wages," Seifert says. This is the continent's lowest. In 2007‑08 [the most recent available year] the Premier League paid out 62%." a local fan can get into see borussia dortmund for a tenner and the ground is packed. wouldn't that be great for the average joe soap in liverpool to be able to go see their team. what pisses me off is that the usual excuse is peddled that the more money, the higher the standard...but let's face it the germans have a better model in the bundeliga and their national team almost always goes further than england in competitions
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Was talking to a colleague this morning a Utd fan was discussing the Utd vs City game. I said I wanted City to win a) because I hate Utd and b) because it might motivate city slightly less if they were still in FA cup. When he went away I thought about it. I cannot believe what I am about to say. If anything I hate Liverpool more than Utd it’s not Utd that asks me for £1000 every year and treats me like dirt. It’s not Man Utd that sends me texts / emails every day asking for more money. It’s not Man Utd that that failed to send my season ticket and made it hard to get it making me queue up for 40 mins before each of the first two home games and treated me like I was a problem. (We cannot sort it by phone). I know I will be slated for this by the real fans but I defy anyone who actually goes to Anfield as opposed to virtually to tell me a different experience. We often talk about loyal fans but you try being one in practice in the modern game with the big clubs. Faz is partly right its just a commercial business but unlike Tesco’s which if it treats you badly you can go to Sainsbury’s in the case of the football fan you have no other option the club have you by the balls and don’t they know it. Customer service nil price as much as they can get away with. And I know some will say if it’s so bad then why go Stanley ? Good question! I see your point Stanley, get a Man U season ticket then and have to buy every home game in every cup regardless if you want to go. Yes it's true, money is taken from your account automatically everytime they get a home fixture in a cup. They have the option to sell but only once the club has sold all of it's spare tickets. Maybe a different club would have been a better example. LFC though is no where near the worst - best of a bad bunch I would say.
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For instance: A large city has more priests. A large city has more crimes too. Does that mean that more priests leads to more crimes being comitted? Of course not.
Sex crimes against young boys maybe?! lol
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a local fan can get into see borussia dortmund for a tenner and the ground is packed. wouldn't that be great for the average joe soap in liverpool to be able to go see their team. Yeah, but that means LFC would lose revenues compared to what they have today. The solution lies in getting more people in through a new stadium being built (or an extended Anfield).
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