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so a ground full great but full of bandwagon support day trippers is that the way ?
Please don't go there. It'd be a shame to lose your account, post count etc. Anyone starting any OOT nonsense will be banned. That applies to everyone. No warnings. Thanks. Well Why dont you open a genuine OOT debate then and you can police it anything directly abusive can be removed or banned. because there is more important things going on in the mans life, wise up and move on!! local support, world wide support, we are all red!! YNWA
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Their is no doubt the clubs is distancesing self from the fan/supporter ,. for starter we are not fans/supporters we are customers just like any one who goes to tesco's , plus i know it upsets people and i dont mean to offend people but its local support has and is getting priced out of going not just recent , but for the last 10-15 years , yes its ok the club courting the asian customer but some will be long term but most wont if the clubs stays in the doldrums , now if someone from anywhere has been a season ticket holder for years , but no sort of loyalty no more , and that certainly make the (customer) disconnected from the fan/supporter of years ago who were fans/supporters not just cashcows . True about being customers.But the straneg thing is people actually think this is something new. We've always been customers, and not more. Nothing has changed on that front. What has changes is the wages and the responsibility those players should have, thats a great point about being treated like customers, the club have fans by the balls and know it!! we get the wrong end of being treated like customers, a business needs to impress and suck up to customers, not football clubs!
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Thats nonsense the majority of the fans by a mile are from the UK. And top dollar is the maxoim ticket price about £48. i'm sure the majority of fans are from the uk. i haven't contested that point. but i think my point about ticket prices still stands, my pervious comments in this thread pertain to the cost to the average punter in liverpool and how affordable it is to the locals. read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/25/pay-falls-bonuses-cutThe figures from 1989-90, collated for the Labour government's Football Task Force, show the cheapest season ticket at Anfield was just £60 and £96 at United – the equivalent prices with inflation would be £106 and £170 now – but the actual lowest-priced season tickets this season are £725 at Liverpool and £532 at Old Trafford (1,108% and 454% inflation respectively). this thread itself is premised on the connectedness of people to the club and the changing identity of clubs. obviously, historically, liverpool would have a history of socioeconomic disadvantage...i would suspect that up until the premiership/the BskyB deal came into place, that the proportion of fans who are on low income/social welfare has seriously decreased. for example the average jobseekers benefit in the uk is £63.45. there's no way this group can go to matches week in/week out. the same applies to low income families. it's a basic assumption that the customer base is going to change...the club, in order to compete has to seek more middle class and foreign fans to fund its costs. i believe it's gonna change even more. does the average liverpudlian who brings his two sons to the game really have £100 plus programme plus transport plus food/drinks to spend on matches on a weekly basis? does the average over 65 have £29.50 to spend on each game? the majority of fans may still be from the uk but as we all know that's not what LFC was built on. the club was built up by local people. i'm not saying that it's a good or bad thing but what i am saying is that the local element of any major footbal clun in england is being bred out of it and it's going to get worse.
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Unless you always got in for free, and they gave you a free scarf, hat and pie, then I'm sorry but you've always been a customer, whether you want to believe it or not.
Spot on mate. You would pay maybe a fiver for a ticket back in the day but thats equivelent to 45 today. Same [oops], different arsehole.
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Football was a game for the working class because anyone can play it to a certain level,it is not just clubs who are pricing people out of things,it costs 10 euro to land in a plane whan coming to Ireland,mayor Quimby would be proud of that one.
We are being screwed by corporate greed at every corner.
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This boy is crack'in up"
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Their is no doubt the clubs is distancesing self from the fan/supporter ,. for starter we are not fans/supporters we are customers just like any one who goes to tesco's , plus i know it upsets people and i dont mean to offend people but its local support has and is getting priced out of going not just recent , but for the last 10-15 years , yes its ok the club courting the asian customer but some will be long term but most wont if the clubs stays in the doldrums , now if someone from anywhere has been a season ticket holder for years , but no sort of loyalty no more , and that certainly make the (customer) disconnected from the fan/supporter of years ago who were fans/supporters not just cashcows . True about being customers.But the straneg thing is people actually think this is something new. We've always been customers, and not more. Nothing has changed on that front. What has changes is the wages and the responsibility those players should have, thats a great point about being treated like customers, the club have fans by the balls and know it!! we get the wrong end of being treated like customers, a business needs to impress and suck up to customers, not football clubs! Yep, if you go to a pub and they served you bad food and dodgy beer and overcharged you, you wouldn't go back. But supporters go back despite poor performances, high ticket prices and overpaid spoilt players. sadly correct !!!!
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What I can't grasp is who do the club think will be the fan of the future. I hear talk of the foreign fan pricing out the local Liverpool people. I just don't get that does rhe average swedish person have £1,500 for leagie and cup plus hotels say £3000 per season really ? And as for the Irish they are having very difficult problems economically. So just who are these people? I am not poor not rich either but have no mortgage anymore a good job and I am struggling. So again LFC who will support you in the future?
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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What I can't grasp is who do the club think will be the fan of the future. I hear talk of the foreign fan pricing out the local Liverpool people. I just don't get that does rhe average swedish person have £1,500 for leagie and cup plus hotels say £3000 per season really ? And as for the Irish they are having very difficult problems economically. So just who are these people? I am not poor not rich either but have no mortgage anymore a good job and I am struggling. So again LFC who will support you in the future? well that is a big question !!!!
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And an excellent post by Drome showing just howe much the clubs are screwing the fans with dramatically above inflation increases. They are pushing supporters right to the limit and I fear the supposed people on the waiting list will run a mile when they see the expense involved follwing Liverpool.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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What I can't grasp is who do the club think will be the fan of the future. I hear talk of the foreign fan pricing out the local Liverpool people. I just don't get that does rhe average swedish person have £1,500 for leagie and cup plus hotels say £3000 per season really ? And as for the Irish they are having very difficult problems economically. So just who are these people? I am not poor not rich either but have no mortgage anymore a good job and I am struggling. So again LFC who will support you in the future? thats a very good point stanley, i cant see many from ireland buying season tickets over the next 5 years cause this country is in a hole at the moment. i know a few people united and liverpool fans who had to give back there season tickets cause they just could nt afford it anymore. the vast majority of the fans will always have to come from liverpool for it to work and rightly so
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