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well calling him negro is different to negrito , and the context is the way said in it couldnt be in a nice way on the pitch just cant be , if you have every played and been involved in a spat with an opposing player you dont say nice things to each other while the game is in play . yes - negro is different to negrito but also... negro in spanish is different to negro in english... he said it in Spanish .. there is also confusion as to how he used it in the sentence. Even if we agree that the fact that he used the word is bad enough, then okay... but that's only a 2 game ban - 4 max i believe. The panel has deemed that he said it 7 times - for which their is no evidence except Evra's statement (which itself is inconsistent with his original claims) as for the bit about not saying nice things, that's just opinion and experience. that's not evidence of what actually happened here. in addition, have you never seen players mouth obscenities at each other but then shake hands or seem reconciled after the ref has intervened?
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well calling him negro is different to negrito , and the context is the way said in it couldnt be in a nice way on the pitch just cant be , if you have every played and been involved in a spat with an opposing player you dont say nice things to each other while the game is in play . [/quote
yes - negro is different to negrito
but also... negro in spanish is different to negro in english... he said it in Spanish
.. there is also confusion as to how he used it in the sentence.
Even if we agree that the fact that he used the word is bad enough, then okay... but that's only a 2 game ban - 4 max i believe. The panel has deemed that he said it 7 times - for which their is no evidence except Evra's statement (which itself is inconsistent with his original claims)
as for the bit about not saying nice things, that's just opinion and experience. that's not evidence of what actually happened here. in addition, have you never seen players mouth obscenities at each other but then shake hands or seem reconciled after the ref has intervened?
The word negro means 'black' in Spanish and Portuguese, from the Latin niger, 'black', probably from a Proto-Indo-European root *nekw-, 'to be dark', akin to *nokw- 'night'.[1][2]
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Wow I will be thinking twice saying goodnight to someone in future for fear of offending them. Probably just best to tell them to **** off.
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Wow I will be thinking twice saying goodnight to someone in future for fear of offending them. Probably just best to tell them to **** off. well if you said good night you ....... whatever than it might be offensive
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For gods sake. I played football to a reasonable amateur level in the cheshire league when I was yonnger and what you were called week in week out was no bodies business. I know its very PC today but its hard not to imagine both these players had been called much worse. It sounds to me just opportunism Evra was having a hard time so he thought he would get back at Suarez. The whole thing is a joke.
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well calling him negro is different to negrito , and the context is the way said in it couldnt be in a nice way on the pitch just cant be , if you have every played and been involved in a spat with an opposing player you dont say nice things to each other while the game is in play . yes - negro is different to negrito but also... negro in spanish is different to negro in english... he said it in Spanish .. there is also confusion as to how he used it in the sentence. Even if we agree that the fact that he used the word is bad enough, then okay... but that's only a 2 game ban - 4 max i believe. The panel has deemed that he said it 7 times - for which their is no evidence except Evra's statement (which itself is inconsistent with his original claims) as for the bit about not saying nice things, that's just opinion and experience. that's not evidence of what actually happened here. in addition, have you never seen players mouth obscenities at each other but then shake hands or seem reconciled after the ref has intervened? The word negro means 'black' in Spanish and Portuguese, from the Latin niger, 'black', probably from a Proto-Indo-European root *nekw-, 'to be dark', akin to *nokw- 'night'. and your point is? What I would say is that negro in spanish is not as controversial as negro in english. In Spanish, it depends on context and in some cases is used as a descriptive term without offence being taken. In UK english however, negro may have originally been an accepted official term for black people, but nowadays it is regarded as offensive in whatever context it is used. It just can't be used in day to day conversation. Hence why Negro on Spanish is not the same as Negro in english.
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For gods sake. I played football to a reasonable amateur level in the cheshire league when I was yonnger and what you were called week in week out was no bodies business. I know its very PC today but its hard not to imagine both these players had been called much worse. It sounds to me just opportunism Evra was having a hard time so he thought he would get back at Suarez. The whole thing is a joke. your right about things said , but if suarez said it which looks like he has and it been brought up then the context of the game means it wasnt said in jest or with affection towards evra which suarez alleges it was it couldnt be .
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Maybe they should start post graduate doctorship courses in our top universities - specialist subject - what you can and cant say. Because from what you guys are saying it aint half complicated.
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Maybe they should start post graduate doctorship courses in our top universities - specialist subject - what you can and cant say. Because from what you guys are saying it aint half complicated. stan you know perfectly well thing like this cant be said the club make an announcement about every game tellling other fans to blow people up if thing are said .
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the context of the game means it wasnt said in jest or with affection towards evra which suarez alleges it was it couldnt be . Faz, this is just opinion. It's not fact. You might have a good reason and logic for your opinion, but at the end of the day it's still only an opinion. It may also be a case of imposing your own cultural bias on someone from a different culture who spoke in a different language.
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